Opened up QUASAR's S60 today and found,
09-16-2006, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 95 TA - The Beast
I had Strange build my S60 and I have had no issues what so ever... It is quiet and works flawlessly...
But then again, I actually bought it directly from Strange... As far as I can tell all the people having issues with thiers are part of group purchases, or having the rears setup elsewhere...
Also Scott, I think it is obvious that you like to blame someone else for your problems... No attack, just pointing out the obvious as YOU setup the rear and have had negative things to say about the S60 from day one (remember how you complained about the ABS ring when you yourself didn't buy Stranges and tried a 'standard' one, ie YOUR fault)... Now you blame the casting for being soft, yeah right...
It is obvious you make more moeny on 9" rears, and you only have one supplier for S60 stuff, so there is no way for you to get a reduced price on anything but the universally applicable diffs and gears... I just find it far to convenient when you start throwing blame around... It is more than likely an assembly issue than a 'soft part'...
Kyle, I know yours was part of the Speed Inc GP, so contact Speed Inc and see if they will do anything about it... One of the major reason I steer away from GPs on things like this as since I bought mine straight from Strange, if I have an issue I can go directly to them... And again, mine has been dead quiet since the get-go...
But then again, I actually bought it directly from Strange... As far as I can tell all the people having issues with thiers are part of group purchases, or having the rears setup elsewhere...
Also Scott, I think it is obvious that you like to blame someone else for your problems... No attack, just pointing out the obvious as YOU setup the rear and have had negative things to say about the S60 from day one (remember how you complained about the ABS ring when you yourself didn't buy Stranges and tried a 'standard' one, ie YOUR fault)... Now you blame the casting for being soft, yeah right...
It is obvious you make more moeny on 9" rears, and you only have one supplier for S60 stuff, so there is no way for you to get a reduced price on anything but the universally applicable diffs and gears... I just find it far to convenient when you start throwing blame around... It is more than likely an assembly issue than a 'soft part'...
Kyle, I know yours was part of the Speed Inc GP, so contact Speed Inc and see if they will do anything about it... One of the major reason I steer away from GPs on things like this as since I bought mine straight from Strange, if I have an issue I can go directly to them... And again, mine has been dead quiet since the get-go...
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09-16-2006, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 95 TA - The Beast
I had Strange build my S60 and I have had no issues what so ever... It is quiet and works flawlessly...
But then again, I actually bought it directly from Strange... As far as I can tell all the people having issues with thiers are part of group purchases, or having the rears setup elsewhere...
Also Scott, I think it is obvious that you like to blame someone else for your problems... No attack, just pointing out the obvious as YOU setup the rear and have had negative things to say about the S60 from day one (remember how you complained about the ABS ring when you yourself didn't buy Stranges and tried a 'standard' one, ie YOUR fault)... Now you blame the casting for being soft, yeah right...
It is obvious you make more moeny on 9" rears, and you only have one supplier for S60 stuff, so there is no way for you to get a reduced price on anything but the universally applicable diffs and gears... I just find it far to convenient when you start throwing blame around... It is more than likely an assembly issue than a 'soft part'...
Kyle, I know yours was part of the Speed Inc GP, so contact Speed Inc and see if they will do anything about it... One of the major reason I steer away from GPs on things like this as since I bought mine straight from Strange, if I have an issue I can go directly to them... And again, mine has been dead quiet since the get-go...
But then again, I actually bought it directly from Strange... As far as I can tell all the people having issues with thiers are part of group purchases, or having the rears setup elsewhere...
Also Scott, I think it is obvious that you like to blame someone else for your problems... No attack, just pointing out the obvious as YOU setup the rear and have had negative things to say about the S60 from day one (remember how you complained about the ABS ring when you yourself didn't buy Stranges and tried a 'standard' one, ie YOUR fault)... Now you blame the casting for being soft, yeah right...
It is obvious you make more moeny on 9" rears, and you only have one supplier for S60 stuff, so there is no way for you to get a reduced price on anything but the universally applicable diffs and gears... I just find it far to convenient when you start throwing blame around... It is more than likely an assembly issue than a 'soft part'...
Kyle, I know yours was part of the Speed Inc GP, so contact Speed Inc and see if they will do anything about it... One of the major reason I steer away from GPs on things like this as since I bought mine straight from Strange, if I have an issue I can go directly to them... And again, mine has been dead quiet since the get-go...
Scott, when I get to the point of needing a rearend, rest assured I will be calling no-one but you for a custom built 9" Have a nice day.
09-17-2006, 03:27 AM
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^ 
I know Scott will get my business in the near future. Ive been ready to buy a couple times now and had things come up and had to wait... as soon as the time comes I will go with DLS.
Now the question is.. 9" or S60? Ill lose my ABS with the 9".
I know Scott will get my business in the near future. Ive been ready to buy a couple times now and had things come up and had to wait... as soon as the time comes I will go with DLS.
Now the question is.. 9" or S60? Ill lose my ABS with the 9".
09-17-2006, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 95 TA - The Beast
I had Strange build my S60 and I have had no issues what so ever... It is quiet and works flawlessly...
But then again, I actually bought it directly from Strange... As far as I can tell all the people having issues with thiers are part of group purchases, or having the rears setup elsewhere...
Also Scott, I think it is obvious that you like to blame someone else for your problems... No attack, just pointing out the obvious as YOU setup the rear and have had negative things to say about the S60 from day one (remember how you complained about the ABS ring when you yourself didn't buy Stranges and tried a 'standard' one, ie YOUR fault)... Now you blame the casting for being soft, yeah right...
It is obvious you make more moeny on 9" rears, and you only have one supplier for S60 stuff, so there is no way for you to get a reduced price on anything but the universally applicable diffs and gears... I just find it far to convenient when you start throwing blame around... It is more than likely an assembly issue than a 'soft part'...
Kyle, I know yours was part of the Speed Inc GP, so contact Speed Inc and see if they will do anything about it... One of the major reason I steer away from GPs on things like this as since I bought mine straight from Strange, if I have an issue I can go directly to them... And again, mine has been dead quiet since the get-go...
But then again, I actually bought it directly from Strange... As far as I can tell all the people having issues with thiers are part of group purchases, or having the rears setup elsewhere...
Also Scott, I think it is obvious that you like to blame someone else for your problems... No attack, just pointing out the obvious as YOU setup the rear and have had negative things to say about the S60 from day one (remember how you complained about the ABS ring when you yourself didn't buy Stranges and tried a 'standard' one, ie YOUR fault)... Now you blame the casting for being soft, yeah right...
It is obvious you make more moeny on 9" rears, and you only have one supplier for S60 stuff, so there is no way for you to get a reduced price on anything but the universally applicable diffs and gears... I just find it far to convenient when you start throwing blame around... It is more than likely an assembly issue than a 'soft part'...
Kyle, I know yours was part of the Speed Inc GP, so contact Speed Inc and see if they will do anything about it... One of the major reason I steer away from GPs on things like this as since I bought mine straight from Strange, if I have an issue I can go directly to them... And again, mine has been dead quiet since the get-go...
Yes you are right, I am not a dealer for Strange but I am a dealer for someone else that supplies me with the same housing for less than Strange. I use Moser axles since it only takes 3 days to get them and not 2-3 weeks. I complained about the 3 chanel ABS set up from Strange since they were not smart enough to take something that was aready being produced by Dana and incorporate it into their design.
I am not a metalurgist and I'm not going to waste my time doing something Strange and Moser should have done before hand to ensure top quality in their product. I know where they get their casting from and I have talked to a few people in the industry that have the same complaint.
I mark up my assemblies at the same percentage so no I don't make more on my 9 inch asemblies. I even have package deals that I do not charge extra if the customer is willing to press on their own backing plates and assemble it with just my instructions.
I'm not going to go through my whole life store just to prove you wrong so go out and start assembling axles everyday, you see the same issues I see.
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09-17-2006, 11:27 PM
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I have stored pictures of QUASARS pattern in this PC and I should have taken a few moments to take a few pics after we opened it up. I'll even share them with you and let John comment on what we found. One thing is for sure, it's a good thing that I let john see the whole process since he can back up all of this 100%.
Can you do better?
Can you do better?
09-19-2006, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 95 TA - The Beast
Now you blame the casting for being soft, yeah right...
I was also there 4 months later when he ran the pattern again, and it didn't look quite the same. Plain and simple.
I'm glad yours is quiet. Are you saying that there is no one with a Strange built Dana 60 that has any noise? I doubt it.
Scott has built me many 10 bolts (remember those days Scott
) and everyone was dead quiet untill I shattered them. I am a believer that its a combination of things that leads to gear noise not just the installation.
09-19-2006, 09:59 PM
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Scott, there's gotta be a college student or lab worker on this site somewhere that could take a look at that metal. If you could provide a sample from a diff housing that's not "soft" and one that is... you could find out for sure pretty easily.
It sounds like a lot of effort but if someone chimed in it'd basically be the hassle of getting the samples and shipping them off to someone.
I would have done it in college, hell, my metallurgy prof would have loved it.
It sounds like a lot of effort but if someone chimed in it'd basically be the hassle of getting the samples and shipping them off to someone.
I would have done it in college, hell, my metallurgy prof would have loved it.
09-20-2006, 09:59 AM
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Well, at least you would know. I'm not an expert in this area but if you suspect a product has a standing design flaw like that, you could start making a different recommendation for one that doesn't.
My car will probably always see boneyard 10 bolts should I ever have one blow up on me... but if I was dumping 2-3k or whatever on a rear I'd definitely want to avoid problems like this.
It'd just be frustrating to all hell to do the right thing going to a 12" or 9 bolt and then blow that up too. I can't imagine those customers being fun to deal with.
I just wanted to point out it was feasible, there's got to be an engineering student on these forums that would jump at the chance to check it out.
My car will probably always see boneyard 10 bolts should I ever have one blow up on me... but if I was dumping 2-3k or whatever on a rear I'd definitely want to avoid problems like this.
It'd just be frustrating to all hell to do the right thing going to a 12" or 9 bolt and then blow that up too. I can't imagine those customers being fun to deal with.
I just wanted to point out it was feasible, there's got to be an engineering student on these forums that would jump at the chance to check it out.
09-20-2006, 10:46 AM
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From what I understand (which is not much here), every single one of our options has its own issues, and any person could list issues that are good enough not to use any of them. You have to find what is least bad for you, not what it is perfect.
09-20-2006, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott@DrivelineSolutions
IMO the only down side of a Ford 9 inch is that the 3 chanel ABS system will not carry over.
Scott, my 9" is still taking an asswhoop'n and keeps coming back for more!
09-20-2006, 07:52 PM
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A 3% efficiency drop, IMO, is a big deal. Lack of 3-channel ABS is also a deal-killer to me (I understand that it isn't to many of you though) and I don't like the idea of having to BFH anything on my car.
09-20-2006, 08:06 PM
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One thing for sure, is that Dragon will know exactly what is right for everybody.
Just listen to what he says because there's no point in disagreeing. He seems to be an expert about everything.
-edit- the above comment is inappropriate, and should not be here. I'm not deleting it because I hate it when threads don't make sense after deletions.
Just listen to what he says because there's no point in disagreeing. He seems to be an expert about everything.
-edit- the above comment is inappropriate, and should not be here. I'm not deleting it because I hate it when threads don't make sense after deletions.
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09-20-2006, 11:18 PM
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Ok, explain to me why one of my local customers dropped .30 of a second when we took out his 10 bolt with a 4.10 and put in a 4.11 9 inch assembly?!
3% of rotational driveline loss doesn't constitute a .30 drop in ET and the same MPH. Just stating an acutal fact from my own experiences. This statement was not made to insult anyone.
3% of rotational driveline loss doesn't constitute a .30 drop in ET and the same MPH. Just stating an acutal fact from my own experiences. This statement was not made to insult anyone.
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