Dude, that isn't craftsmanship. That's called comparing a hand-welded piece to a piece welded by a ROBOT. No kidding the piece welded by the robot is going to LOOK better.
It's like comparing hand-ported heads to CNC ported heads. CNC ported heads are always going to look better and the port shape will be exactly the same every time. However, it doesn't mean diddly squat unless it's a good design with a port shape that flows well.
So here's my opinion. While the welds on the M9 may look slightly better (again due to being welded by a ROBOT), the design just doesn't appear as good as the Midwest Fab 9.

 

 

A robotic tig welder? Moser doesn't use robotics for these rears, just good welders. Bob

 

I only spent 2875.00 what did you spend super???

 

obviously we are not all on the same page here. i tell ya what... i(not one of my employees) will build a housing, TIG weld all the accessories on it, and post pics of it bare. then we will be on the same page. then i will sell that particular housing for more than the standard ones. if someone wants the glory of a TIG welded setup, then fine, so be it. otherwise, i guess i'll put it in my own car and sell the rearend that's in it. somebody will get a smokin deal on a rearend all because of this, but it will be well worth it to me.
all of my housings are full welded, inside and out... every seam, every joint. these standard housings use both MIG and TIG welding process. Moser's sheetmetal is welded on the outside only, and then ground smooth. they use a single piece, fold it together, then weld the corner seams. i use a 3 part design that has the outer sides and center piece all folded and weld them together. i MIG weld the inside seams and TIG weld the outside. they are both good designs and are plenty strong. its simply a difference in the manufacturing process. while Moser currently does not use robots, they do use rotary machines... hence a smooth weld all the way around a tube.
yes, the quality of the Moser welds are great... as i would expect them to be. Moser makes great quality components... as i would expect them to. this is Moser's main business and their products need to be of the highest quality and looks to stay well established in the market.
I build everything from complete turn key 200 mph top sportsman cars to 10 inch tire NMCA/NMRA street type cars, headers, suspension components, etc. these bolt-in rearend housings are just another part of the mix. the focus is on the typical guy that needs a street friendly, racecar type rearend thats affordable, performs, looks good, and is easy to install.

crazylane... another comment here like the one and you will have problems...i suggest you peacefully bow out now.

 

fab 9 imo

 

Well I'm not going to lie, those welds look really good - like a robot made them.

C'mon man, you know what I spent because I posted it earlier in this thread.

We don't have the same parts though, so it's hard to actually compare. For example, you have a spool and I use a TrueTrac; which if you go on EPP's site, is a $300 difference in the cost of a center section (nodular center w/spool = $975, nodular center w/TrueTrac = $1275).
Also, what I got actually cost $2775 in parts because I paid $200 for the install. I would've paid $3600 for the same parts in the M9.
By the way, where are you stationed on Whidbey? I was stationed at NOPF for 6 1/2 years and I'm trying to go back.

 

Exactly the reason I only laughed as a reply earlier
LOL, no, we won't either. Moser doesn't have everything tig welded on. They use a combination of MIG and TIG, did you not look at the pictures? Besides, that's what we would call a "ringer", because you would be comparing something not done to every one of your products trying to compare it to another manufacturers.
They're aren't any places where they ground anything on my housing.
That's all you had to take from my original post WAAAY back when this bullshit started instead of being a baby and whining about ****. I think the Moser looks better due to the welds, etc, and you are saying yourself that they indeed look nice. That's it in a nut shell.
WOW! Sounds like a threat

Somebody lock this pathetic thread already

 

Wow I should bow out. What are you going to do to me??? Kinda Interested...

 

i know exactly what has been done with the Moser housings... i have seen and had my hands on it. what do you think it's hydroformed or stamped? you say nothing has been ground? why is the whole sheetmetal section sanded? because it's welded and then d/a smoothed(ground). where do you think the weld seam bleed through on the inside comes from? you're talking about "looks cheap" and weld quality... why would you even compare two totally different weld process then? i take the extra effort and cost to insure strength in my housing by MIG welding the inside of the seams and all the bracketry... i surly don't have to. i have not whined about anything here. never have, never will. simply the facts. remember... i have had my hands and eyes on both housings. inside and out.

 

maybe a little respect is all. i didn't disrespect you or your purchase... why would you disrespect me? not very stand-up coming from military personnel. and i won't do anything to you... the mods will. this is a technical/informational website and comments/memebers like that have no place here.

 

I never disrespected you.. I told old boy to get your dick out of his ***, cause he was clearly in love with you and your product.. Which he would not get off the subject about..

How does me being military have anything to do with this thread??? I am going to tell it how I see it.. again, thats my .02..

I mentioned way back in this thread that I had nothing bad to say about your stuff.. Now did I??? And I also said I would not say anything, due to not seeing your stuff first hand..

Both of these rearends are nice. No doubt about it. People that were sticking up for you, were pretty much saying that they though the M9 was ****. Thats when the **** started to get tossed at each other.

If you wanna go cry to a mod, then by all means go do so. I am still going to stand by what I think, and if you can't swallow what I said, then thats pretty sad..

 

I do have a question though..

Why do this??? Why not trust your employee's to do this. I mean if you are taking this into your own hands, just to prove a point, then that means you will be taking special measures to try and show that your product is far superior..

My main point is, use one of your everyday builds.. Don't go and build something just for this.. Cause more than likely the rear end will not be on the same level as the rear's you sell to everyone else..

 

Which button to I click on the top to **** off the most people? LOL

 

Sorry I over looked this..

I am stationed at VQ-2 Squadron. I am there safety guy. Not very fun. I haven't touched a machine in about 14months.. I am starting to have my withdrawl's ha ha.

Actually I just put in my 1306 to do a split tour, and get back to the real navy.. (SHIP)..

 

That squadron moved up from North Island a few years ago didn't it? Being the "safety ****" is never much fun. Being an MR is MUCH better.
Also, I do have to agree, the airdale community is definitely the "gravy navy". It's definitely not the "real navy" for sure. I love Whidbey Is. though (it helps that I'm actually from WA.).

 

I'm tired of wasting my time checking this thread just to argue with you, so this is my final reply. In the end, I'm sure both housings are plenty strong for their intended purpose. Everyone seems to be happy with the choice they made on which housing to go with, so that's what matters most.

 

why is ssvert99 not a sponsor anymore?

 

You're an idiot... After making that comment...
Guess how much HP he has...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCsdSe0G4LQ

 

Its called being Sarcastic you douche....

Tobad I can't open up youtube right now. so somebody feel me in on what this video is please...