Wrong they weight 3550-3600lbs

 

Yeah I've heard of torque. As I recall the mustang has 390ft lbs and the LS3 is putting down 395ft lbs. Not much of a difference, the real difference is weight. And until GM does something about this the facts won't change. When it comes to power vs weight the GT has the edge. I wish it didn't but it does, to argue that this fact doesn't exist is retarted.

 

what are your mods? full bolt on ls1s have run 11s.

 

I hear ya, there. I watched a guy braggin about how he spent 42K on his new SS. Did some exhaust work K&N tuned. Absolutley got executed by a HCI F-body on drag radials over at Gateway. Can you imagine getting beat by almost 3 cars by a vehicle that cost a 1/3 what you paid. Try to go home and sleep that off.

 

Even worse if it was a car with half the cylinders...

 

Your are in denial in you think that race was meaningful in anyway. The owner of both cars and DRIVER to the Mustang said it was a meaningless race but hey you probably know more than the guy that was actually there and owns both cars so keep on clinging on to false hope. And the LS1 was not stock per the owner BTW. Its always a drivers race a great driver can usually beat a really crappy drive but drives being EQUAL the Mustang wins this one.

 

I'm pretty sure it's 420ft lbs of tq on the LS3. And that's probably why its a drivers race between the two.

 

Actually, 3600-3650, but who's counting?

The LS3 puts out 420 ft-lbs, and puts its 426 hp down at 5900 rpm compared to the mustang that needs 6500 rpm for its peak hp. All that adds up to a sizeable power difference between the 5.0 and the LS3. Change the gearing on the SS and you can give the advantage right back to the Camaro. Power to weight is a CURVE, not just one point (peak) on the graph, so don't get too caught up in comparing PEAK power to weight ratios, it is not the whole story.

 

An IRS eats up more hp than a SRA does by 3-4%.

 

"The top-level SS is motivated by a 6.2-liter V8. When coupled with the six-speed automatic transmission, the SS is good for 400 horsepower and 395 lb-ft of torque, while opting for the manual gearbox will net an additional 22 horsepower, for a grand total of 422 horsepower and 408 lb-ft of torque. The V8-powered car will return about 23 mpg on the highway."

 

Im sick of the ******* ford nut swinger johnny come latelys that feel the need to come here and repetedly tell us why the mustang is faster. GTFO already go buy your ******* 2011 GT take it to the track and beat a 2010 SS otherwise shut the **** up. Nobody cares but you ******* new comers. Go to camaro5 already with all your half brothers.

Why is the typical mustang driver such a ******* dork?

 

the stock 2010 m6 SS record is in the mid 12s and the lowest "verified" time for a stock 2011 m6 GT is in the migh 12's.

those are the facts...

while i would personaly chose the SS, sounds like a drivers race stock for stock on the street.

i personally can't wait to see how the aftermarket pans out for cam options for the new 5.0 and what kind of gains can be had. THATS where the argument matters to me.

 

I was being sarcastic. If the 4th gen and 5.0 are similar in weight then the 5.0 and 5th gen are similar too. There is about a 200 lb. gap between them.

So have 5th gens. I have ran a handful of bolt-on LS1's and always came out ahead.

I know better than to run my mouth to a H/C LS1 at this point. You can't fix stupid I guess. Some 5th gen owner are idiots, I'll admit that.

 

You are going to feel even worse when a 2011 walks you so toughen up a little.

 

Both great cars, and both very closely matched.
That being said, I say we let the Ford boys have their time in the sun.
After almost two decades of showing up to the table short handed I guess they deserve it.
Let the Mustang boys gloat for now, its all they have.

 

Thanks

But 03 and 04 Terminators are Mustangs and 07-11 GT 500's are Mustangs too but you can't forget those great 2003-2009 Camaros I guess.

 

Understand something, I am in love with the LS series of engines. I think the LS3 is a fantastic motor, 426hp and 420 ft-lbs or torque is awesome power NA. I don't have a problem with the motor, I have a problem with the car. This car is too heavy, you can argue who's power is gonna peak first, who's power curve is better, weight ratios, whatever. Bottom line you basically have the equivalent of a very fat chick in the back seat all the time. Most of you know like I do if we put this motor in a gen 4 it would rape both.

 

The topic was GTs I believe.
Oh and dont mind 2003-2009 Camaros, they were a little busy building some Cadillacs and Corvettes among other things.

 

It will take more than a stock 5.0 to worry me....not that Im really worried about it anyways. I know I dont own the fastest car in the world. Its just annoying when every ford nut swinger comes here now that they actually make a motor (the car is still fugly) thats worth a ****.

Its still drivers race no matter how you slice it or dice it. The only difference between the mustangs 12.7 and the camaros 12.6 was the camaro time was done by a joe schmoe, not a shop. Mulitple joe schmoes make that.

 

That's what I thought too
The only difference is, I am actually stating facts.

Fixed.