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Old 05-21-2010, 12:35 PM
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Here's your stock time, not saying the mustang wont ever beat it. The actual record is 12.58 @ 111 from another car, but this video shows an 11.6 run:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBpve1Enha8

Best bolt-on time I could find. (Don't know details):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2RySHm-N4Y

Nitrous from Camaro5:

OrangeChevy - 10.28 @ 134.26 mph, (Nitrous/200 shot, LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune, Skinny's, DR's, Tune), (LS3, M6)

These are the records for the year, I think the Mustang has the edge given that the bolt-on cars have longtubes. I think OrangeChevy's car possibly had a cam in it for that 10.28 run but that's what it says on Camaro5's website. This just shows how close they are in terms of performance. The two 5.0 cars that are in the tens are driven about as good as they can be with the lightest drag wheel setup possible, I don't see their times being improved by much.

I don't know any info on what the DA was for the Camaro passes, could have been mineshaft air for all I know.

Even if OrangeChevy's car had a cam in it, I don't see the mustang beating that ET for the same cost.

Cam = $750
Longtubes = $1000
Catback/X-pipe = $500
Nitrous = $750
Drag Wheels = $1500

Total ~$4500 for 10.28 @134

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Originally Posted by Camaro Z
Here's your stock time, not saying the mustang wont ever beat it. The actual record is 12.58 @ 111 from another car, but this video shows an 11.6 run:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBpve1Enha8
Fair enough but not what he said. That would be a TUNER shop car not Joe Smooes car like he said. Again I'm not all that surprised considering the thousand and thousands of runs so far that the Camaro has had. He said there are lots of examples show me a few more non tuner shop cars like he said.

Best bolt-on time I could find. (Don't know details):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2RySHm-N4Y

Nitrous from Camaro5:

OrangeChevy - 10.28 @ 134.26 mph, (Nitrous/200 shot, LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune, Skinny's, DR's, Tune), (LS3, M6)

These are the records for the year, I think the Mustang has the edge given that the bolt-on cars have longtubes. I think OrangeChevy's car possibly had a cam in it for that 10.28 run but that's what it says on Camaro5's website. This just shows how close they are in terms of performance. The two 5.0 cars that are in the tens are driven about as good as they can be with the lightest drag wheel setup possible, I don't see their times being improved by much.

I don't know any info on what the DA was for the Camaro passes, could have been mineshaft air for all I know.
Not the same mods show a non header car with a 100 shot. I can show you two 100 shot GT's running in the 10's already. Evo went from 11.65 to 10.88 with a 100 shot what do you think would happen with LTs and a 200 shot.
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Originally Posted by FOG52
Fair enough but not what he said. That would be a TUNER shop car not Joe Smooes car like he said. Again I'm not all that surprised considering the thousand and thousands of runs so far that the Camaro has had. He said there are lots of examples show me a few more non tuner shop cars like he said.



Not the same mods show a non header car with a 100 shot. I can show you two 100 shot GT's running in the 10's already. Evo went from 11.65 to 10.88 with a 100 shot what do you think would happen with LTs and a 200 shot.
Did you not read what I wrote? I said that yes the Mustang has the edge due to it coming from the factory with mid-lengths. Sure the Camaro had manifolds from the factory, but who cares honestly. Can't believe somebody hasn't made Longtubes for the 5.0 before it was released. I'm sure their factory midlengths flow a ton better than the LS3 manifolds, so don't expect huge gains from longtubes of the 5.0.

The 12.58 pass that doesn't have a video with it, was a private non-shop car. I wasn't posting the videos to brag that the Camaro is the best (probably the opposite actually), I merely posted up the closest videos I could find to match what you were looking for.

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Originally Posted by Ke^in
I am sure I could go and do the same to you as far as posts go. But that would be petty. So I wont.

You don't know the story from red, he was actually the one trolling.

I came here originally because I was looking at ALL American made RWD V8s. The 02 WS6 is still my fav pony car. Even over the new 5.0.

I've learned more about Mustangs in this forum then the other mustang forums I'm part of. I also get to learn about other American made cars. So no, my purpose here, or intentions aren't to be trollish. It just hard to pass up when others are being trollish. I'd also take comments like yours a bit more seriously if called out not just Mustang owners, but GM owners being trollish. Because there are a lot of people being trollish in here that are on the other side of the argument.

I see nothing wrong with a little fun debate. If such things get under your skin, maybe it's a situation you need to steer clear from? Instead of demanding people to act like you want them to. I've usually found when someone, in the middle of a discussion, calls another person a name, it usually means that person simply didn't like what the other had to say, and decided in a self defense mechanism, to attack said person with character assassinations.

Your last two posts were trollish BTW. Glass houses and stuff.

If your rant really has nothing to do with trolling, and you just don't like me, or like me a whole lot, I hear my fanclub still has some cards left. But club fees will still cost ya.
Why did you edit your your reply? I read your first unrevised version early in the morning and it was a quite different tone. Your revision has that, "I'm going to have the last word." feel to it. You jus' like to argue with people, that's all.

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The funny thing is, I don't say hurtful things. I don't lie, I don't make up facts. So if anything I say is making anyone feel butt-hurt it's because they are overly sensitive to the facts I guess.

I could compile a longer list of things I've said that would make his list look as petty as it is.

I find it actually silly that I am getting the response I did. I'm not doing anything that anyone else isn't doing as well. Other than the character assassinations.

All I have to say I guess is, Here's a blank card. You can all fill in your own names.





That is true, you are not saying hurtful, mean things. You jus' argue and debate people all the time. When I engage in a debate and the other party isn't getting the point, I move on. This is the difference between you and me.

Yes, there are other trolls on this site other than you but only one member pops up in each and every Mustang thread I've clicked on.

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Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
equally modded you should win. full bolt on ls1s vs. lightly modded 5th gen ls1s have an edge.
That's not necessarily the case. I have very light mods (tune and intake) and have repeatedly beat a 99 Z28 with full bolt-on's from a roll and a stop. When I say full bolt-on's I mean it, you couldn't do another mod to this car with out opening something up. I have also beaten every header/ORY LS1 I have raced. I'm not bragging by any means, my car is not that fast but the 5th gen is a lot faster than people think due to the idiots who have them at the local track trying to recapture their youth of when they had a 69 SS in 1973. They go from a 3 year old accord to a 5th gen and just can't drive it. The ET's on the 5th gens have been dropping as more enthusiasts hit the track.

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Fair enough but not what he said. That would be a TUNER shop car not Joe Smooes car like he said. Again I'm not all that surprised considering the thousand and thousands of runs so far that the Camaro has had. He said there are lots of examples show me a few more non tuner shop cars like he said.



Not the same mods show a non header car with a 100 shot. I can show you two 100 shot GT's running in the 10's already. Evo went from 11.65 to 10.88 with a 100 shot what do you think would happen with LTs and a 200 shot.
The excuses that keep coming are hilarious.
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Oh, I forgot, . .

Originally Posted by Ke^in
I am sure I could go and do the same to you as far as posts go. But that would be petty. So I wont.
No, no, no. Don't worry. I know you are trying to downplay what I did and label it as "petty" but I welcome you to post up any of my previous posts. You will not be able to do the same. Unlike you, I contribute to this site and give some advice and insight on a wide array of topics.
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Originally Posted by Dark SS
That's not necessarily the case. I have very light mods (tune and intake) and have repeatedly beat a 99 Z28 with full bolt-on's from a roll and a stop. When I say full bolt-on's I mean it, you couldn't do another mod to this car with out opening something up. I have also beaten every header/ORY LS1 I have raced. I'm not bragging by any means, my car is not that fast but the 5th gen is a lot faster than people think due to the idiots who have them at the local track trying to recapture their youth of when they had a 69 SS in 1973. They go from a 3 year old accord to a 5th gen and just can't drive it. The ET's on the 5th gens have been dropping as more enthusiasts hit the track.


The excuses that keep coming are hilarious.
you may have beaten those cars but dont think a full bolt on ls1 fbody cant beat a tune/intake ls3 5th gen. thats just nonsense.
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Sorry bro but your just another tech troll that wont make it another year before you come back with a different name. You think we havent seen your kind before? Dont ******* kid yourself.
I promise if I ever leave here I wont be back. And I'm probably older than you.
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Originally Posted by 02TransAm/Batmobile
That is true, you are not saying hurtful, mean things. You jus' argue and debate people all the time. When I engage in a debate and the other party isn't getting the point, I move on. This is the difference between you and me.
Point made. I guess I just don't take it as serious. I like both brands of cars. The Ford fanboys on Mustang sites get on my nerves too.
About your fan club membership cards: . . . grow up.
Sorry, I find them humorous. Your post that you made certainly wasn't mature either. Glass houses and all.

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Unlike you, I contribute to this site and give some advice and insight on a wide array of topics.
Baseless accusation. Don't go telling people to grow up, then make lame character assassinations. The self righteousness of your tone is somewhat pretentious.
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I promise if I ever leave here I wont be back. And I'm probably older than you.
Being a douche bag doesn't have an age limit. You could be 80 years old and still be a douche. - Fact
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I'll take your word for it.
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Would I take a 2011 Camaro over a 2011 Mustang; not necessarily. Would I take an LS3 engine over a 5.0 engine; definately.
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Would I take a 2011 Camaro over a 2011 Mustang; not necessarily. Would I take an LS3 engine over a 5.0 engine; definately.
Instead of spending that money on a new 5.0, I'd find a used Vette instead.
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Even if OrangeChevy's car had a cam in it, I don't see the mustang beating that ET for the same cost.

Cam = $750
Longtubes = $1000
Catback/X-pipe = $500
Nitrous = $750
Drag Wheels = $1500

Total ~$4500 for 10.28 @134[/quote]

Free tune I guess? No CAI ? No filter? Stock clutch 200 shot [not for long??????]

Mustang

Drop in filter $75 ?
Long Tubes $1000
Catback/Xpipe $500 [your number]
Drag Wheels $1500
Nitrous 200 shot $750
Cam no need $0
Suspension $500

$4350

________________

$4325

ET yet to be determined. But 100 shot and no headers lower ET half a half sec second so an extra 100 and headers the .6 difference
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Apparently so:

Threads You Post in and Start Talking Smack:

https://ls1tech.com/forums/2010-cama...10-camaro.html

https://ls1tech.com/forums/street-ra...gt-5-0wtf.html

https://ls1tech.com/forums/racers-lo...stang-10s.html

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https://ls1tech.com/forums/street-ra...bra-video.html

https://ls1tech.com/forums/dyno-benc...ustang-gt.html


Threads You Created:

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https://ls1tech.com/forums/automotiv...tion-cars.html

https://ls1tech.com/forums/2010-cama...ive-liked.html

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So, if you see "GT", "Mustang", "Cobra" or anything of the like do you foam at the mouth with over excitement? This is not the first time someone accused you of doing the same:
Exactly. Now who's really doing the nut-swinging around here?
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Originally Posted by FOG52
Free tune I guess? No CAI ? No filter? Stock clutch 200 shot [not for long??????]

Mustang

Drop in filter $75 ?
Long Tubes $1000
Catback/Xpipe $500 [your number]
Drag Wheels $1500
Nitrous 200 shot $750
Cam no need $0
Suspension $500

$4350

________________

$4325

ET yet to be determined. But 100 shot and no headers lower ET half a half sec second so an extra 100 and headers the .6 difference
Touche'

I guess we will see! I should have added $200 for a CAI, $500 for a clutch and $300 for a tune. However the Evolution car fried theirs in 12 passes before nitrous as well. The performance between the two is so similar that when it comes down to it which ever car you like you're gonna buy regardless of a couple tenths difference in drag times. I would personally buy an 08+vette before all of the above.

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Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS
you may have beaten those cars but dont think a full bolt on ls1 fbody cant beat a tune/intake ls3 5th gen. thats just nonsense.
Any car can beat another car at a given time. I have seen Z06's run high 13's at the track. Until I experience it other wise I will believe that a bolt-on LS1 is about as fast as an LS3 SS. There was nothing more a driver could have done to make the 99 any faster. It would need tires and a stall. Of course then my car would need a tire to be on a level playing field. There is a big difference between an LS3 and L99 SS until you start modding.
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Originally Posted by Redfire 03
Exactly. Now who's really doing the nut-swinging around here?
Who are you? His boyfriend?
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Being a douche bag doesn't have an age limit. You could be 80 years old and still be a douche. - Fact
You do know the original Batmobile was a Ford. Ford Fanboi



"The Batmobile built for and used in the 1966–1968 live action television show Batman and its film adaptation was a customized vehicle that originated as a one-off Ford concept car of the 1950s."
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You do know the original Batmobile was a Ford. Ford Fanboi



"The Batmobile built for and used in the 1966–1968 live action television show Batman and its film adaptation was a customized vehicle that originated as a one-off Ford concept car of the 1950s."
Once again trying to stir the pot with retarded *** comments.
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