It seems the 2011 Mustang Gt's performance was "Inflated" vs 2010 Camaro
#363
I don't think the "room for additional displacmement" means much either, since the only way to see big numbers is to go Forced induction anyways.
Also, there is no "performance pak" on the new mustangs. There is a gear option, obviously, a whell option, or the "brembo package) that inlcudes the 19" rims and summer tires.
#364
That's the money quote. First gear in the Mustang is 18% shorter than the Camaro; second and third are 15% shorter.
Final drive is 7.5% shorter, and wheel diameter is 6% smaller.
With the Camaro first gear and tire diameter, it would need the equivalent of a 4.45 rearend ratio to match the Mustang.
Final drive is 7.5% shorter, and wheel diameter is 6% smaller.
With the Camaro first gear and tire diameter, it would need the equivalent of a 4.45 rearend ratio to match the Mustang.
#365
#367
Evolution Perfomance made 414 rwhp with an x-pipe, exaust, intake and tune. I am sure a full bolt ons, h/c car will make 500whp as well.I don't think the "room for additional displacmement" means much either, since the only way to see big numbers is to go Forced induction anyways.
Also, there is no "performance pak" on the new mustangs. There is a gear option, obviously, a whell option, or the "brembo package) that inlcudes the 19" rims and summer tires.
Also, there is no "performance pak" on the new mustangs. There is a gear option, obviously, a whell option, or the "brembo package) that inlcudes the 19" rims and summer tires.
#368
I never ran it 100% stock, but with a Roto-Fab and mild tune it went 12.7 @ 111 w/ 2.08 60' on street tires at stock psi. I would imagine with a little air taken out and some practice I could get the 60' down to a 1.8, I have seen A6's cut 1.8's.
#369
I highly doubt it, but I wouldn't mind be pleasantly surprised. There just is not as much room for improvement in a 4V 4Cam V8 to get more power, expecially at 5.0 L displacement. I am not saying that it won't ever be done, but the theory just doesn't support your logic.
With better rods and pistons and balancing and higher rpm maybe. The BMW M6 makes 500+ hp. But to make the power you have to suck in more oxygen somehow.
#370
I cut a 1.7 at Union Grove last week. Man that track is a **** to hook up on street tire night. Thats with a 3600 stall and Nittos at 18psi. That would of been my best run but for some reason it bounced off the limiter instead of shifting to second so it ran a 12.5 at 109. It was averaging 12.4 at 110.x with 1.9/1.8 sixtys and never missed a shift. Figures.
#372
if you have superior power to weight you will win. if you dont, you'll lose. with as many 2010SS as i see around. im totally sure when they see my 5.0 badge, they will want some. fun times.... i love that ****.
#373
Be alot of sad 5.0 owners that are going to get their asses handed to them by plenty of SS Camaros.
#375
Everything that works for a pushrod engine works for an OHC engine too, it's just that most OHC engines come out of the gate more highly optimized. The Coyote has VVT, pretty sophisticated exhaust manifolds, no room for overboring and a pretty long stroke. So I agree that this engine has limited upward mobility without forced induction, but that's not because it's OHC.
The LT5 had a lot of potential, and it was OHC...
#376
Remember this coyote engine is 20% lighter than the old 302 engine. I'd be interested to see the rotating assembly weight as compared to BMW's. I wouldn't be surprised but remember I did say new rods and pistons. [lighter stronger]
Race 5.0 coyote engines will undoubtedly turn more rpm like the old 302 boss race engines did. Back in 69 they were turning 9,000 and made 470 hp with old 2V carburated engines.http://www.carmemories.com/cgi-bin/v...erience_id=232
Last edited by FOG52; 05-26-2010 at 10:16 PM.
#377
I highly doubt it, but I wouldn't mind be pleasantly surprised. There just is not as much room for improvement in a 4V 4Cam V8 to get more power, expecially at 5.0 L displacement. I am not saying that it won't ever be done, but the theory just doesn't support your logic.
Yet few took advantage... Go figure. Of course, it was nothing like todays engines really, but it sure was potent and capable.
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#379
Coyote intakes are 37mm, exhausts are 31mm - for total area of about 53 and 37 square inches, respectively.
You wouldn't reflexively say that even though the LSx has fewer valves, they're bigger...would you?
Ref the rest - each individual piston is lighter, yes. Each crank throw is lighter, yes. It's not total mass, it's the per-cylinder mass - the con rod in cylinder 1 isn't stressed by the forces acting on cylinder 2, right?