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iTrader: (4)

its outright ridiculous once you load them up. but base price on these cars is reasonable. and you can get some options and still have a nice car.

Bring the Noise

Is the ford motor downgraded from the factory?
Will a dyno tune give it close to a 20rwhp increase and around 20 plus ft lb's of torque.

We know the LS3 in the camaro is held back by certain things like (torque management) and that a dyno tune can give you extra top end plus a decent amount under the curve.

How are the heads and manifold on the new 5.0L?
Is there room for porting and polishing (capable of matching a stage 2 ls3 head manifold porting).

Is the throttle body designed to remove torque in the part throttle opening setting?
GM's 90mm DBW TB is and it's there to keep the drivetrain from breaking (has been since the LS2 production line back in 2005).

How much power will the Ford get when you add headers and a cold air kit? (and a tune)?

Is it really an apples to apples comparison?
If the Ford is optimized from the factory and the GM is detuned, well you get the idea.

Last question:
Can the ford hit 500rwhp without a SC or turbo?
Ported, cam'd, and full bolt on N/A M6 camaro's are hitting 500rwhp. With a blower they are seeing a hell of alot more.

Just questions to ponder for the pony wars that are to come.

Dark SS

iTrader: (6)

Not much, it already has a ford racing CAI and mid-length headers from the factory. The CAI is what bumped the 2010 GT up 15 hp over the 2009.

Now a counter question is can GM tweak the LS3 tune or add a CAI? How much can they bump the HP of the SS?

LWCS561

iTrader: (1)

whaaat? the new mustang has mid lengths from the factory??

enginjoe

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I don't think there will be anywhere near as much n/a power with mods as the LS3 just due to the cubic inches. But if you don't want to crack open the motor at all (cams, heads), the ford has a forged crank and rods, so a bit of boost will probably do real nicely.

06X6spdGTO

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Boost on what?? I doubt youll be boosting the 5.0l that high with a factory 11.0:1 SCR!! Hell put a thinner Cometic head gasket on your 2010 Camaro and bump it from 10.7 to 11.0. GM had 05.06 GTO's 10.9:1 SCR from the factory.

And yes the 5.0l ford has 4-2-1 Shorty headers from the factory.

As for the DBW comment the LS2 90mm was not the first, the 78mm DBW vette had the first throttle limiting TM

enginjoe

iTrader: (11)

People are dropping 8-10psi TVS2300 systems on the 10.7 comp ratio LS3, I think something similar with do fine on the 11.0:1 ford motor. The 4v heads will probably allow you to make more power per lb of boost. Personally, I run all my boosted cars on E85 so that compression ratio would be fine as long as the motor holds up to the selected boost.

06X6spdGTO

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Not saying its not possible, hell i have 10.9 SCR with 6lbs of boost. Just saying that its a pain and who know how the VVT will respond to boost on the 5.0??? I wouldnt be expecting pullied 03 cobra numbers out of a 5.0 with some roush S/C package.

Dark SS

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I guess they're more like shorty's, but they look like they flow a whole lot better than the manifolds on the LS3

blk/slvr02ss

iTrader: (21)

GMMP does have a shorty option for the SS but i would say LT would add a lot more.Look @ what mine made w/LT w/cats.,pulley,Air intake,tune w/ stock mufflers 430rwhp/431rwtq which is reasonable for just a few bolt-ons.

smslyguy

here is the stats on my car and driver magizine for the new 5.0 vrs the 2010 camaro ss. 0-60 times were the same with 4.6 sec. 1/4 mile the 5.0 ran in 13.2 vrs the 13.0 in ss camaro. Yes close call, but they were orginally saying that the new 5.0 was goin to running it 12.8 sec. for the 1/4.

enginjoe

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It just goes to show again how well the LS3 motor responds to mods.

You know the more I look into this, it was the higher geared mustang vs. camaro tests that had the mustang edging out the camaro. The video of the races where the mustang far outstripped the camaro were auto cars, with the mustang having gears. Well duh, of course the mustang would win that.

King Nothing

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motor trend or as i call them ford leg humpers set that up knowing that the SS couldn't compete

Nine Ball

iTrader: (38)

My 2010 SS put down 400 rwhp SAE with just exhaust and an airbox. No tuning. Lets see the 5.0 Mustang do that.

ThisBlood147

If you think the new 5.0 won't pick up some power with LT's and some tuning you'd be deluding yourself. I remember when the 3V 4.6 came out in 05 the Ford engineers tried to say how efficient the factory manifolds were....claiming that aftermarket headers would net you an additional 7 to 8 hp at best. Yea, tell that to all the 3 valvers that picked up 20-30 at the rear tires with full length headers. Hell, shorties on a 3V GT wouldn't even pick up more than a couple of HP over the stock manifolds, so I can't see how these factory shorties will outflow some proper full lengths.

I'm not here saying the new GT will pick up LS3 type gains with certain bolt-ons, but I think some ppl here might be setting themselves up for embarrassment if they think the new motor won't squeak out more than 5 extra ponies with anything less than a blower or nitrous. How about we just wait and see before we all make up our minds? Even if it turns out to be a tick or two behind the LS3, it's still proper American muscle.

big dave

After having seen a few new SS's at the track, it must be a difficult car to drive. I think the quickest stock car I have seen ran a 13.3 @ 110. Most others have run 13.6 or slower, usually at around 106. I've seen a few newer stangs ('05 up) run mid 13s stock at around 103.

Maybe the weight of the new SS is killing it but I believe the new stang might be a bit quicker than the SS with almost 100 more horsepower than the previous model.

Johnnystock

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So now youre comparing the outdated 315hp Mustang to the 425hp SS. Have you read the thread or what???

I've got a clue for you; if you read all the articles, the SS is faster than the 415hp GT in most of the tests. The only one that could be a tad faster in the 1/4 is the one with the 3.73 gear and track pack, or if the rag mag is Ford biased. And we are talking 0.1 sec and 0.3mph. Still a driver's race and GM dont have any track pack or gear.

ss1129

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Thats because there is a **** ton of midlife crisis guys that have started swooping up the flavor of the week and taking them to the dragstrip. Guess the BMW's arent turning enough heads this year. If you take a gander at the big 5th gen camaro website and just read a handful of threads you will see the kind of douche bag thats buying this car.

That being said, there are some that have hit mid 12's stock.

2vkiller

Just to let you and everyone else know, there is no track pack option on the new 2011 mustang. That susp is STANDARD on all the mustangs.

rayhawk

Yes, but without the OPTIONAL tires the mustang is slower.