1st 2010 Camaro SS with Techco's 3.0 liter Twin Screw blower
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1st 2010 Camaro SS with Techco's 3.0 liter Twin Screw blower
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27664
Hey guys,
The title is not like what it sounds lol. My car is back at Techco Superchargers for the R&D. The process is underway and soon it will be available. They just finished the corvette LS3 and now going to my Camaro. They are great systems and very cool guys. Now just cant wait now till its done!
What the supercharger is all about:
The Revolutionary design allows air to move through the supercharger quickly and efficiently, without significant heat buildup, and at the highest resulting airflow volume at low boost output. The performance result is maximized horsepower and torque output.
Key Features of The TECHCO Reverse-Revolution Twin Screw Supercharger™.
* Reverse-Revolution Twin Screw Compressor with Asymmetric Multi-Lobe Screws
* 3.0L / 180 cu. in. Displacement
* Font Induction with Integrated Bypass
* 10 Inch Long Intake Runners
* Dual Stage Intercooler System with Single-Pass Coolant Flow through the A-Frame (2) Intercoolers, Large Capacity Heat Exchanger, High Volume Intercooler Pump and Recovery Tank
* Open Element Cold Air Kit with High-Flow Air Filter, CNC Venturi and High Flow Inlet Tube
* Extruded Aluminum fuel Rails with upgraded fuel injectors where applicable
* Separate 8-Rib FEAD (Front End Accessory Drive) with Dampener
* Ultra-Light Weight Aluminum Construction
* Flash Programmer
-My car had some computer problems before, but finally worked it out. (GM replaced the ECM because it was faulty.) -
-Here is a link to there site: http://www.techcointl.com/default.asp
Here is some pics of me dropping it off and doing some Baseline Dynos. (Dyno power was 380rwhp and 385 torque on a Dynojet) Pretty impressive numbers!
What the system looks like on a challenger
My Motor without the cover on
My car on the dyno
Dyno #s
The title is not like what it sounds lol. My car is back at Techco Superchargers for the R&D. The process is underway and soon it will be available. They just finished the corvette LS3 and now going to my Camaro. They are great systems and very cool guys. Now just cant wait now till its done!
What the supercharger is all about:
The Revolutionary design allows air to move through the supercharger quickly and efficiently, without significant heat buildup, and at the highest resulting airflow volume at low boost output. The performance result is maximized horsepower and torque output.
Key Features of The TECHCO Reverse-Revolution Twin Screw Supercharger™.
* Reverse-Revolution Twin Screw Compressor with Asymmetric Multi-Lobe Screws
* 3.0L / 180 cu. in. Displacement
* Font Induction with Integrated Bypass
* 10 Inch Long Intake Runners
* Dual Stage Intercooler System with Single-Pass Coolant Flow through the A-Frame (2) Intercoolers, Large Capacity Heat Exchanger, High Volume Intercooler Pump and Recovery Tank
* Open Element Cold Air Kit with High-Flow Air Filter, CNC Venturi and High Flow Inlet Tube
* Extruded Aluminum fuel Rails with upgraded fuel injectors where applicable
* Separate 8-Rib FEAD (Front End Accessory Drive) with Dampener
* Ultra-Light Weight Aluminum Construction
* Flash Programmer
-My car had some computer problems before, but finally worked it out. (GM replaced the ECM because it was faulty.) -
-Here is a link to there site: http://www.techcointl.com/default.asp
Here is some pics of me dropping it off and doing some Baseline Dynos. (Dyno power was 380rwhp and 385 torque on a Dynojet) Pretty impressive numbers!
What the system looks like on a challenger
My Motor without the cover on
My car on the dyno
Dyno #s
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Gray, the pics shown above are not on the Camaro. That is a Ford or Mopar or something. Dynos above are just stock baseline pulls.
I saw a Techco blower in person at LMR earlier this week, one for a Hemi I believe. It looked okay, but damn that sucker was HEAVY. Not kidding, I'd guess 100+ lbs by itself. Results will be interesting, looking forward to seeing how they do.
I saw a Techco blower in person at LMR earlier this week, one for a Hemi I believe. It looked okay, but damn that sucker was HEAVY. Not kidding, I'd guess 100+ lbs by itself. Results will be interesting, looking forward to seeing how they do.
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The long runner assembly is what I think you are referring to. I don't think it will be much heavier, if at all, than the other twin screw blower.
They have already made 600 to the wheels with a 100% stock LS3.
They have already made 600 to the wheels with a 100% stock LS3.
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Watch the video that shows the design and assembly of the Techco.
I think it goes well beyond "OK".
http://techco.vidiac.com/video/652fa...d900bdf550.htm
http://techco.vidiac.com/
I think it goes well beyond "OK".
http://techco.vidiac.com/video/652fa...d900bdf550.htm
http://techco.vidiac.com/
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I'm going to have to see more before I am too convinced. I've seen the 510rwhp LS3 on 6psi, and the 548rwhp on 10psi. Maggies are doing that with a 2.3 instead of the 3.0 and are already known for their reliability as well. I look forward to results to see how this pans out and if it becomes a great long-lived competitor, but for now I don't see any advantage to their 2-3k more expensive 3.0 blower setup over a cheaper smaller Maggie making the same power.
I'm not making judgment just yet though as there aren't enough results to build an absolute opinion on, I look forward to future builds to see some results.
I'm not making judgment just yet though as there aren't enough results to build an absolute opinion on, I look forward to future builds to see some results.
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Gray, the pics shown above are not on the Camaro. That is a Ford or Mopar or something. Dynos above are just stock baseline pulls.
I saw a Techco blower in person at LMR earlier this week, one for a Hemi I believe. It looked okay, but damn that sucker was HEAVY. Not kidding, I'd guess 100+ lbs by itself. Results will be interesting, looking forward to seeing how they do.
I saw a Techco blower in person at LMR earlier this week, one for a Hemi I believe. It looked okay, but damn that sucker was HEAVY. Not kidding, I'd guess 100+ lbs by itself. Results will be interesting, looking forward to seeing how they do.
Just figured with the thread, there was going to be results.
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this makes me very happy. I own a GTO (if you didnt realize looking at my name), and it always pissed me off the lack of blower options for my car, especially when compared to f-bodies, or mustangs. We didnt even get a twin screw.
This blower looks kick ***, and the fact that it is a 3L twin screw.... lol. I would imgaine with a forged motor, this thing will support a ton of power, i would say upward of 1000rwhp.
This blower looks kick ***, and the fact that it is a 3L twin screw.... lol. I would imgaine with a forged motor, this thing will support a ton of power, i would say upward of 1000rwhp.
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I'm going to have to see more before I am too convinced. I've seen the 510rwhp LS3 on 6psi, and the 548rwhp on 10psi. Maggies are doing that with a 2.3 instead of the 3.0 and are already known for their reliability as well. I look forward to results to see how this pans out and if it becomes a great long-lived competitor, but for now I don't see any advantage to their 2-3k more expensive 3.0 blower setup over a cheaper smaller Maggie making the same power.
I'm not making judgment just yet though as there aren't enough results to build an absolute opinion on, I look forward to future builds to see some results.
I'm not making judgment just yet though as there aren't enough results to build an absolute opinion on, I look forward to future builds to see some results.
Those numbers were on 91 octane on a 1000% stock car.
Apples to Apples, the Techco will blow the Maggies away.
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We will know apples to apples when there are more results to compare. From what we have seen so far, neither one blows the other away, and like I said before I can't wait to see more results to see how it goes. I said plain as day that I am ready to see more results.
I did not say anything negative about the techco, nor did I post skewed numbers in anyway.The community could benefit more if you could allow other people to take objective standpoints instead of pushing your passion for the Techco on other people. When the results are in, they will speak for themselves I don't know if I'm happy with what the Maggie will do on my Camaro yet, so I'm ready to see some Techco results. Obviously, I'm not a hater, just objective, as I'd like a better option but haven't seen enough examples of the Techco superiority to be as convinced as you.
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The fact remains when people read those low numbers, they aren't getting the full picture because those numbers were initial runs on a 1000% stock car with 91 octane and people are going to compare those numbers to higher numbers from other systems running 93 octane and other mods.
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So a 1000% stock car is 10 times more stock than a 100% stock car? I'll wait for the real numbers to come out before I make a judgement as well but I haven't seen anything that blows me away yet.
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looks like an edelbrock unit to me with some fancy lettering on it....and as for the "reverse-revolutoin" is that like an anti-coup? Like this is the de-evolution of the supercharger?
Oh and AGAIN according to kenne bell IF a supercharger that is designed as the techco or HIS turns in reverse and does NOT force the air through the middle of the rotors but INSTEAD around the outside of the case, then it is NOT classified as a TVS or Twin screw supercharger. It is in fact then just a roots blower, meaning it has NOT the potential that the TVS/twin screw styles have.
but still good effort anyway
since when does a supercharger need a long runner anyway?
can you explain to us feeble forward minded individuals why a supercharger needs such a long runner?
Oh and AGAIN according to kenne bell IF a supercharger that is designed as the techco or HIS turns in reverse and does NOT force the air through the middle of the rotors but INSTEAD around the outside of the case, then it is NOT classified as a TVS or Twin screw supercharger. It is in fact then just a roots blower, meaning it has NOT the potential that the TVS/twin screw styles have.
but still good effort anyway
since when does a supercharger need a long runner anyway?
can you explain to us feeble forward minded individuals why a supercharger needs such a long runner?
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looks like an edelbrock unit to me with some fancy lettering on it....and as for the "reverse-revolutoin" is that like an anti-coup? Like this is the de-evolution of the supercharger?
Oh and AGAIN according to kenne bell IF a supercharger that is designed as the techco or HIS turns in reverse and does NOT force the air through the middle of the rotors but INSTEAD around the outside of the case, then it is NOT classified as a TVS or Twin screw supercharger. It is in fact then just a roots blower, meaning it has NOT the potential that the TVS/twin screw styles have.
but still good effort anyway
since when does a supercharger need a long runner anyway?
can you explain to us feeble forward minded individuals why a supercharger needs such a long runner?
Oh and AGAIN according to kenne bell IF a supercharger that is designed as the techco or HIS turns in reverse and does NOT force the air through the middle of the rotors but INSTEAD around the outside of the case, then it is NOT classified as a TVS or Twin screw supercharger. It is in fact then just a roots blower, meaning it has NOT the potential that the TVS/twin screw styles have.
but still good effort anyway
since when does a supercharger need a long runner anyway?
can you explain to us feeble forward minded individuals why a supercharger needs such a long runner?
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As far as not having the potential of a TVS or twin screw, that would be incorrect due to the above explanation. Twin screws are extremely efficient, with a lot of potential with this being a large 3 liter unit.
As to why it needs a long runner, it is the same principle as without the super-charger. Longer runners make more torque than shorter runners, regardless of whether the air is moving at normal atmospheric pressure or under 15lbs of boost. It also affects "pressure wave tuning", which is a bit complicated but refers to the "high pressure---low pressure----high pressure" pattern of the air moving inside the runner. This way, you have the runner meet the cylinder head port right in an area of "high pressure", so as to better fill the cylinder with the new air\fuel mixture.
Due to the intake manifold being on top of the blower, and the air coming from the blower up into the intercooler and then entering the runner, the runner is larger as it travels from the top of the setup all the way down to the bottom to the cylinder head's intake ports. With a traditional setup, the blower is on top of the intercooler, the air comes into the blower and pushes down into the intercooler. From there, it only has a short way to go in the runner from the intercooler exit to the cylinder head, which is right below it.
Does this help at all? If i made some errors or mistakes that anybody sees, please feel free to correct my mistakes as i dont want to spread false info, or God forbid.... create more interwebs myth and dogma.
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Yes, Johny, you pretty much got it right. The Techo guys are applying the same design into this unit that they pioneered on the Series VI unit that they built as part of Saleen. My Series VI is a 2.3 L and made an additional 138rwhp 137lb/ft on only 4.5 psi, so I'm sure this 3 L monster will really crank out the low end torque. Can't wait to see what kind of numbers it puts out.