GM in financial trouble. Time to kill the Camaro!
10-12-2008, 02:17 PM
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GM in financial trouble. Time to kill the Camaro! The day after General Motors' stock price plummeted to levels not seen since the 1950s, the country's top automaker dismissed speculation that it was headed toward bankruptcy. How bad could it get? Analysts say that GM must quickly become a much smaller company, with fewer brands, fewer models, and reduced legacy costs. It's undeniable that getting to that point will require a drastically different course from the one GM management has laid out so far.
I’ve got a great idea of how GM can save a lot of cash.
GM can start my killing the Camaro, and stop trying to live off memories of the past, by catering to boomers who have middle-age weight-gain and may have a mid-life crisis; and want to drag race a this nearly two-ton car.
This whole Camaro thing is a fiasco. First, the thing has gone on so long, by today’s standards it will be due for a refresh the year it’s launched. Not to mention their efforts to generate hype are getting lamer and lamer. And it is going to be THIRD to market in the muscle car segment in an era of high gas prices and CAFÉ standards.
Yes I am a bit tired of hearing about the release of the Camaro, but I was tired from my first look at the concept car, which I thought was ugly. I never could understand the hype, love, and adoration surrounding this car. I do think they improved the appearance of the production vehicle versus the concept car, but it still isn’t the eye candy that the last generation of Fbody was and the Mustang is.
Sure, it’s bright and flashy -- with the atmosphere of a 1950s malt shop. It is not a real retro anything; but a retro mishmash of ill defined design. Like many of today cars, it has little to no imagination in body design, unlike the days of Fisher - who designed some real classics that stand the test of time.
That grill looks like someone traced the outline of a shovel for the design, and molded it to a giant clydesdale of a car instead of a “Pony” car. See, GM forgot what the Camaro/Firebird was meant to be.
There's no legal definition for a Pony car, but we should be very clear on these points.
In generally accepted terms it was smaller, though decidedly not a compact car. It was far lighter than sedans and it was comfortable for two people, but avoided the interior (and weight) of the luxury sedans.
It hit the freedom note with the sporty casual look, but even more because it just was neither practical nor comfortable for riders in the back seat. So, dead weight was shed both by the use of lighter materials as well as nixing human baggage. In a nutshell, the Pony car allowed one to escape the gravity of family and unwanted passengers. That was and is the essence of freedom.
GM should save itself an expensive blunder it can ill afford.
They need to pull the plug on the Camaro production, get their house in order, and then introduce a real competitor to the Mustang and Challenger with aerodynamic, 21 century styling.
I’ve got a great idea of how GM can save a lot of cash.
GM can start my killing the Camaro, and stop trying to live off memories of the past, by catering to boomers who have middle-age weight-gain and may have a mid-life crisis; and want to drag race a this nearly two-ton car.
This whole Camaro thing is a fiasco. First, the thing has gone on so long, by today’s standards it will be due for a refresh the year it’s launched. Not to mention their efforts to generate hype are getting lamer and lamer. And it is going to be THIRD to market in the muscle car segment in an era of high gas prices and CAFÉ standards.
Yes I am a bit tired of hearing about the release of the Camaro, but I was tired from my first look at the concept car, which I thought was ugly. I never could understand the hype, love, and adoration surrounding this car. I do think they improved the appearance of the production vehicle versus the concept car, but it still isn’t the eye candy that the last generation of Fbody was and the Mustang is.
Sure, it’s bright and flashy -- with the atmosphere of a 1950s malt shop. It is not a real retro anything; but a retro mishmash of ill defined design. Like many of today cars, it has little to no imagination in body design, unlike the days of Fisher - who designed some real classics that stand the test of time.
That grill looks like someone traced the outline of a shovel for the design, and molded it to a giant clydesdale of a car instead of a “Pony” car. See, GM forgot what the Camaro/Firebird was meant to be.
There's no legal definition for a Pony car, but we should be very clear on these points.
In generally accepted terms it was smaller, though decidedly not a compact car. It was far lighter than sedans and it was comfortable for two people, but avoided the interior (and weight) of the luxury sedans.
It hit the freedom note with the sporty casual look, but even more because it just was neither practical nor comfortable for riders in the back seat. So, dead weight was shed both by the use of lighter materials as well as nixing human baggage. In a nutshell, the Pony car allowed one to escape the gravity of family and unwanted passengers. That was and is the essence of freedom.
GM should save itself an expensive blunder it can ill afford.
They need to pull the plug on the Camaro production, get their house in order, and then introduce a real competitor to the Mustang and Challenger with aerodynamic, 21 century styling.
10-12-2008, 02:45 PM
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This car is a step in the right direction. If they hit their esitimates, this will turn a nice profit for them. This is a car they need, and I'm not taking about just a performace car, a car that people will want and will pay for
10-12-2008, 03:32 PM
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well ok then! i have no idea why you aren't the CEO of GM?!? It appears that GM did little market research compared to your vast work.
sure, it does look like GM is late to the party, but stupid rants like this are so useless....i guess opinions are like ********, everyone has one.
sure, it does look like GM is late to the party, but stupid rants like this are so useless....i guess opinions are like ********, everyone has one.
10-12-2008, 03:40 PM
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It was not copied from an article, but rather, I pulled together a collection or assembly of many thoughts across the Internet by those who do not buy the hype, or see the new Camaro through (vintage 1970's Rose colored) sunglasses!
10-12-2008, 04:04 PM
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gallardo259;
Look at your car from the rear quarter.
Your car looks like it's ready to run the highway - from any view!
Look at the fat Camaro from the same angle.
Built for Sir Mixalot - Baby got Back!
From the front, it comes on like brassy chick with a toothy grin, and as she passes you see the wide butt from eating too many french fries. But I don’t think putting Alli™ in the gas tank will solve this crisis.
But a redesign would. Unfortunately, GM hasn’t got the time, or the money left.
Look at your car from the rear quarter.
Your car looks like it's ready to run the highway - from any view!
Look at the fat Camaro from the same angle.
Built for Sir Mixalot - Baby got Back!
From the front, it comes on like brassy chick with a toothy grin, and as she passes you see the wide butt from eating too many french fries. But I don’t think putting Alli™ in the gas tank will solve this crisis.
But a redesign would. Unfortunately, GM hasn’t got the time, or the money left.
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10-12-2008, 04:40 PM
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How dare you try to reason with the marketing and business genius of the OP LOL!
10-12-2008, 06:32 PM
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If the Camaro should be killed for the OP's reasoning, the Challenger should also.
It is hard to argue with the fact that it is late to the game and the interior is a joke compared to mainstream GM cars, like the Malibu.
Also, corvetteconti's blog is claiming that the V8 models will be limited. Wait for the
gouging.
It is hard to argue with the fact that it is late to the game and the interior is a joke compared to mainstream GM cars, like the Malibu.
Also, corvetteconti's blog is claiming that the V8 models will be limited. Wait for the
gouging.
Greg and I will have more on Camaro shortly. Just wanted you to know, the dealers have a good idea now of what to expect for the 1st 3 quarters of the 2010 model year camaro. HUGE focus on V6 Greg said…V8s will be limited. Order guides and more will be posted, stay tuned. As of yet though, no official pricing from GM.
10-12-2008, 06:44 PM
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Damn.... one would have thought I wrote that!!!!!!!!!! 
All I can say is that I as well was very DISAPOINTED in the new Camaro.
Too Heavy. No imagination for design and just down right UGLY!!!!!!
But.... it is too late.... GM is too committed to the new Camaro at this point.
Regardless of how I feel about it..... I still hope it succeeds... for if it doesn't... it will be the final swan song for the Camaro nameplate. (Not to mention any hope of reviving the Trans AM..... which is currently dead and only the sucess of the new Camaro will bring it's return.)
Although we do now have a new Firehawk on the way. Too bad it's a damn 4 door!!!!!!!!
All I can say is that I as well was very DISAPOINTED in the new Camaro.
Too Heavy. No imagination for design and just down right UGLY!!!!!!
But.... it is too late.... GM is too committed to the new Camaro at this point.
Regardless of how I feel about it..... I still hope it succeeds... for if it doesn't... it will be the final swan song for the Camaro nameplate. (Not to mention any hope of reviving the Trans AM..... which is currently dead and only the sucess of the new Camaro will bring it's return.)
Although we do now have a new Firehawk on the way. Too bad it's a damn 4 door!!!!!!!!
10-12-2008, 07:12 PM
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if you have a better idea then go knock on GMs front door. i'm sure they will give you a job making a **** ton of money because you are so ******* brilliant.
btw, how much hp did descreening your maf give you?
10-12-2008, 07:30 PM
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we must all sell what we have and buy a camaro to help GM out...sacrifice people this is our beloved bowtie we're talking about. I for one don't want a Camaro with a chrysler hemi and bmw subframe as they're talking to Chrysler in desperation. Save your pennies folks its time to sacrifice to save GM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....lol
10-12-2008, 07:49 PM
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gallardo259;
Look at your car from the rear quarter.
Your car looks like it's ready to run the highway - from any view!
Look at the fat Camaro from the same angle.
Built for Sir Mixalot - Baby got Back!
From the front, it comes on like brassy chick with a toothy grin, and as she passes you see the wide butt from eating too many french fries. But I don’t think putting Alli™ in the gas tank will solve this crisis.
But a redesign would. Unfortunately, GM hasn’t got the time, or the money left.
Look at your car from the rear quarter.
Your car looks like it's ready to run the highway - from any view!
Look at the fat Camaro from the same angle.
Built for Sir Mixalot - Baby got Back!
From the front, it comes on like brassy chick with a toothy grin, and as she passes you see the wide butt from eating too many french fries. But I don’t think putting Alli™ in the gas tank will solve this crisis.
But a redesign would. Unfortunately, GM hasn’t got the time, or the money left.
