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Old 02-07-2008, 12:51 PM
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Just think GM could have had awesome/exceptionally fast 03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10 Maros...but instead GM gave we the ppl nothing. **** GM.

Keep the faith, keep the faith, keep the fait...don't hear that dumbass line being spread anymore. Thanks, FBodFather...this car has taken so damn long we will get a green version or get charged out the *** for the good V8. AGH!!!

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Personally, I'm in "wait and see" mode. I'm hopeful that GM has planned for these new emmissions laws when designing the new Camaro. And if I'm wrong, I'll have a good chunk of changed saved up to mod the **** out of my '99 Z. Either way, I win.
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I have a question, why not chuck a little 5.3 in between the new 6.2 and the v-6for some performance and economy. The LS4 isnt to bad of a motor they have in the Grand Prix and Impala. It would fit right in as a better alternative to the Mustang as far as price is concerned, get some semblance of economy for those who do use the heck out of their car as daily drivers and not cost an arm and a leg like their talking about making the v-8s. I thoughht i heard some flutter about the Gen 5 v-8 also coming online about that time. Well food for though anyhow.
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The neglected factor...
If GM could figure out how to reduce the weight of their RWD cars (like their non-US competitors), they could easily offset the 1 mpg penalty. The new Camaro is a pig in terms of weight and anyone with a GM V6 is going to hate it.

As for engines...
My LS1 gets 26 mpg as my daily driver, and 28 on long trips. If they can do that with 1996 technology, then make a production variant with 600+ HP, there's plenty of room to boost the mileage.
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Originally Posted by LTSpeed
The neglected factor...
If GM could figure out how to reduce the weight of their RWD cars (like their non-US competitors), they could easily offset the 1 mpg penalty. The new Camaro is a pig in terms of weight and anyone with a GM V6 is going to hate it.
I think the whole FWD vs RWD thing is when all else is equal. Like weight, size etc etc. RWD eats up more power through the drivetrain.


As for engines...
My LS1 gets 26 mpg as my daily driver, and 28 on long trips. If they can do that with 1996 technology, then make a production variant with 600+ HP, there's plenty of room to boost the mileage.
1996 technology???
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The LS1 gets the economy it gets cause a lot of our cars are light. And some of us have 2.73's.

And the LS1 came out in 1997...so 1996 technology is kind of a reasonable guesstimate.

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I wouldn't say the Camaro or Trans Am where light, I've seen them 3500lbs before
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You guys need to stop taking all internet articles as facts.
This article is full of BS that the author made up.

GM has still said all along that the Camaro will be priced competitively with Mustangs.
Nowhere have they ever said that base V8s would be marked up.

For your own good, stop making things up based on an article that was also made up.
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Originally Posted by Sharpe
To the EPA:
****. YOU.
+1......
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Originally Posted by OctaneZ28
You guys need to stop taking all internet articles as facts.
This article is full of BS that the author made up.

GM has still said all along that the Camaro will be priced competitively with Mustangs.
Nowhere have they ever said that base V8s would be marked up.

For your own good, stop making things up based on an article that was also made up.
Thank you for being sensible
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^^Those were my exact sentiments, pure BS that article was.
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If the new Camaro is so pricey, I'll just buy a G8 instead. I'd love a Camaro, but the G8 already has the V8 and four doors. Plus, I think it looks nice.
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Originally Posted by Wallywall
Things to worry about: Air pollution, mercury in water, nuclear waste, deforestation, fresh water consumption, overpopulation, pesticides, acid rain, lions, tiger, bears, and homosexuals.
You list "overpopulation" and "homosexuals". Doesn't one problem solve the other there?
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I can't understand why GM won't give us better info on engine options yet. The car will be on dealer lots in 12 months. It's time for them to let the cat out of the bag!
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Originally Posted by RPM WS6
You list "overpopulation" and "homosexuals". Doesn't one problem solve the other there?
Good one!
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Originally Posted by RPM WS6
I can't understand why GM won't give us better info on engine options yet. The car will be on dealer lots in 12 months. It's time for them to let the cat out of the bag!
I don't understand why they built a concept and let everyone get hyped up and wait this many years to do something with it.
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They can build a concept and let us get hyped up. Then something intervened...that sounds like normal life to me.

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ou know who I blame, ****** hippies. God damn hippies
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Originally Posted by WECIV
They can build a concept and let us get hyped up. Then something intervened...that sounds like normal life to me.

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Very true... unfortunately.
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Originally Posted by WECIV
They can build a concept and let us get hyped up. Then something intervened...that sounds like normal life to me.

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So many other cars (some by GM and others from other car companies) came out as concepts after the camaro concept and those cars are already on the street or near it. There is no real reason it isn't out already other than GM not stepping up to the plate after the concept. Almost no cars that make the buzz that the camaro did take this long after the concept debuts to go into production. It's been nothing but a mistake for GM not to start selling the 5th gen already, because it should have been on the streets as an 07 or 08 at the latest. They have been costing themselves money
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