GM Will Promote V6 Camaro, Not the V8 Camaro
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A coffe grinder stuck inside a dying elephant, most likely? Like most rice? I'm not really pleased about this whole "Inline Turbo 4" ****. I don't want an import motor in my Muscle. I don't care how GM markets it, as long as we all know what it really is. And what it is IS American Muscle.
When I think of the term "american muscle" I think of a raw powered n/a engine and those are the pony cars that fit into that muscle car term... still pony cars, but also muscle cars. A turbo'd I4 is like a little guy with a weapon and a highpowered V6 is like a strong average person.. in which both do not scream "muscle" to me lol.
GTOs, Trans Ams, Formulas, Z28s, Charger R/Ts, Charger SRT-8s, Challenger R/Ts, Challenger SRT-8s, Mustang GTs, Mustang Cobras, Mustang Mach 1s... these are all cars that I consider muscle cars (hell, even the new G8 GT). A base Camaro/Mustang/Challenger is just a pony car and a base Charger/G8 is just a fullsized family car IMO.
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With aftermarket exhaust :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJZqr...eature=related
Stock :
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PKy4hOP2OOc
Here is a tidbit about the I4 they thought about putting in the Camaro
http://youtube.com/watch?v=srtbhI0R8-A
Listen to the gear limits .... weaksauce! 3rd gear to get to 60mph!!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJZqr...eature=related
Stock :
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PKy4hOP2OOc
Here is a tidbit about the I4 they thought about putting in the Camaro
http://youtube.com/watch?v=srtbhI0R8-A
Listen to the gear limits .... weaksauce! 3rd gear to get to 60mph!!?
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With aftermarket exhaust :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJZqr...eature=related
Stock :
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PKy4hOP2OOc
Here is a tidbit about the I4 they thought about putting in the Camaro
http://youtube.com/watch?v=srtbhI0R8-A
Listen to the gear limits .... weaksauce! 3rd gear to get to 60mph!!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJZqr...eature=related
Stock :
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PKy4hOP2OOc
Here is a tidbit about the I4 they thought about putting in the Camaro
http://youtube.com/watch?v=srtbhI0R8-A
Listen to the gear limits .... weaksauce! 3rd gear to get to 60mph!!?
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IMO, the term "pony car" would only apply to a V6 F-body or Mustang.
When fitted with a V8, they are muscle cars. 4 seats, RWD, V8 = Muscle car, IMO.
Anyone that calls a Corvette a Muscle car is an idiot. 2 seats, RWD, V8 = sports car.
When fitted with a V8, they are muscle cars. 4 seats, RWD, V8 = Muscle car, IMO.
Anyone that calls a Corvette a Muscle car is an idiot. 2 seats, RWD, V8 = sports car.
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Ugh. See I like the Solstice/Sky because they fit/sound/perform to the type of cars they are... Roadsters. But a Camaro that sounds like that... eh... not a fan. At least with a catback on the 96-02 3.8L V6 F-Bodies, they had a sort of deep sound to them.
On a side note: The Solstice would look bad *** with more aggressive headlights... although that doesnt seem to be the image its going for.
On a side note: The Solstice would look bad *** with more aggressive headlights... although that doesnt seem to be the image its going for.
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Agreed. And to add to that ppl try to call our V8 F-Bodies sports cars.. when they're clearly not.
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Hahaha that is awesome my M6 gets 28-31mpg and outpowers that lil V6. Don't let the public find out. Wonder what the LS3 or LSA/8 will get in fuel economy, like it would matter anyways.
Like was said before if marketing the badboy as a turbo 4cyl. or V6 super gas saver will keep it alive and sell units that fine w/ me as long as we get out big bad SS with a blown engine.
Like was said before if marketing the badboy as a turbo 4cyl. or V6 super gas saver will keep it alive and sell units that fine w/ me as long as we get out big bad SS with a blown engine.
How much difference will the LS3 be in fuel economy, I had a 6.2 500 hp LS engine built and put a super charger on it and the same driving as the LS1 it got about 2 mpg less on the highway
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The people who think that Camaros are performance cars exclusively have apparantly forsaken the Camaro's place in GM's lineup. It has been there since the beginning to steal sales from the Mustang and provide the market with an economical coupe that EVERYONE can afford. I hope GM makes the base models $20k or lower...that would spike sales in a good way. If a $20k price tag means having a Turbo Ecotec, then so be it. I need a new Turbo Coupe.
The people who think that Camaros are performance cars exclusively have apparantly forsaken the Camaro's place in GM's lineup. It has been there since the beginning to steal sales from the Mustang and provide the market with an economical coupe that EVERYONE can afford. I hope GM makes the base models $20k or lower...that would spike sales in a good way. If a $20k price tag means having a Turbo Ecotec, then so be it. I need a new Turbo Coupe.
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with their "green" stance, they could call the V6 version of the camaro a ******* rutabaga or a garden salad for all i give a ****, if that's what it takes to keep them in production.....just as long as they still offer the option of a RWD, V8-powered MUSCLE CAR for those of us who want performance.
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Hahaha that is awesome my M6 gets 28-31mpg and outpowers that lil V6. Don't let the public find out. Wonder what the LS3 or LSA/8 will get in fuel economy, like it would matter anyways.
Like was said before if marketing the badboy as a turbo 4cyl. or V6 super gas saver will keep it alive and sell units that fine w/ me as long as we get out big bad SS with a blown engine.
Like was said before if marketing the badboy as a turbo 4cyl. or V6 super gas saver will keep it alive and sell units that fine w/ me as long as we get out big bad SS with a blown engine.
Even with some city driving your combo milage is more like 22 or 23. That is where the V6 will get you. The V6 will use less gas idling and driving in the city.
Try and beat a stick V6? I dunno.... That would be pretty hard. Highway comes down to frontal area for sure but more than one factor come into play from fillup to fillup.
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really... who care if some people want to call it a sports car, muscle car or pony car. No big deal, is it?
The V6 will get 30mpg in real world driving. This years mileage ratings have knocked 2mpg off the old ratings of most cars. That's the one GM should promote, as selling more of these will help the corporate mpg numbers and keep the v8's alive.
The V6 will get 30mpg in real world driving. This years mileage ratings have knocked 2mpg off the old ratings of most cars. That's the one GM should promote, as selling more of these will help the corporate mpg numbers and keep the v8's alive.
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My only question is: Do you need to have brain damage, be a retard to work at GM???? This the beginning of the end. That new Camaro wont be around for long. I expect 2 or 3 series as the most. This is the GTO flop part 2.
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Yeah, its defiantly a pony car. That and the Cuda were Chrysler's answer to the Mustang and F-Bodies. The Charger and Roadrunner were Chrysler's true muscle cars. Although they are a bit bigger, they were still considered "compact cars".. the Muscle cars were Midsized cars... although by todays standards the Muscle cars are fullsized and the Pony cars are midsized lol.
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You don't need to be a genius to figure out how to market it with today's gas prices, carbon footprint obsessions, and media-promoted "green" silliness and hypocrisy. GM has to sell the car in that world.
It's no different from the historical pattern, where the base car is a lame 6 or 4, as in the first three generations and the early 4th gens. Not to worry, the muscle version will be there for those who want it. We have to recognize that the economy versions make the muscle version possible.
It's no different from the historical pattern, where the base car is a lame 6 or 4, as in the first three generations and the early 4th gens. Not to worry, the muscle version will be there for those who want it. We have to recognize that the economy versions make the muscle version possible.
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I'm starting wonder this as well. It seems like GM is trying to change the image of the Camaro by concentrating on economy engines like the I4 and V6 because of the current "think green" BS going around these days.