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04-30-2008, 06:09 PM
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I'm not sure what your point was, other than neither one was "top dog" because they had different purposes, which I could be inclined to accept as a good way to put it. The Z28 was built to race you said it yourself. The SS had a big block and nothing else special about it. I never said either one was automatically a nice car, that's what both of them had options and the RS option for, and no one mentioned a special interior, hood, or anything of the sort. You're even throwing in ordering a car with special options to make something custom that wasn't a Z28 or SS, what does that have to do with anything? It's not elitism, it's reality. The Z28 was built to perform, and in factory form was a greater option than SS
So know one ever raced an SS and the 396/375 was just a pedestrian model? The SS350 I showed you was not some weird option car, I bet there were a few right on dealer lots. My point was to refute your saying that the Z28 was the top dog model from the first production which is flat wrong!
04-30-2008, 06:17 PM
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So know one ever raced an SS and the 396/375 was just a pedestrian model? The SS350 I showed you was not some weird option car, I bet there were a few right on dealer lots. My point was to refute your saying that the Z28 was the top dog model from the first production which is flat wrong!
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04-30-2008, 06:18 PM
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The original Z/28 option was specifically designed to run in the Trans Am races and was restricted to a 302 engine by the race. It was built for racing and could make almost 400 hp stock (GM listed it at 290 to keep insurance cheap). It was second to no SS, even the 396. You gotta remember, back then you ordered a Camaro, then you picked your option (be it a V8, the SS package, or the Z/28 package, and you could even add the RS package to any of those).
The 396 was a straight-line brute, but the Z was where it was at. Kind of like Big Red, arguably the most famous 1st Gen currently racing. Why isn't Big Red an SS? Because the Z's are the heritage of racing.
First Gen Z's fetch better prices on average, too. "Is it a real Z28?" will get asked every time at a car show whereas no one seems to ask the same about the SS.
Z28 is a race car. SS is a marketing badge.
04-30-2008, 06:58 PM
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I feel most here care 'a little too much' about the naming conventions. If i have a camaro with 500+hp, you can call it the Chevette version and it would still be great!
Here is my take on the situation, We all love our camaros, most here werent driving in the late 60's. The camaro has evolved over the years, yet most hang on to the first 3 years of the cars existance as the best it will ever be. The market for these vehicles has changed since the 60's.. incase you havnt noticed..
In actuality compared to cars today, they werent fast(most), they weren't well built, they didnt last, they handled poorly, etc.. All we are left with is Nostalgia and good looks. I agree, for thier time, they were amazing cars, i still love looking at them but i do not consider them the 'pinnicale' of automotive engineering
With that said, i want GM to make a faster, more powerful, better handling, etc.. car that fits the market segment the camaro is in. If its called Z28, SS, GTR, ZR1.. i dont care, build a good car, one that makes its place in the history books and I'll line up to purchase such a vehicle!
Here is my take on the situation, We all love our camaros, most here werent driving in the late 60's. The camaro has evolved over the years, yet most hang on to the first 3 years of the cars existance as the best it will ever be. The market for these vehicles has changed since the 60's.. incase you havnt noticed..
In actuality compared to cars today, they werent fast(most), they weren't well built, they didnt last, they handled poorly, etc.. All we are left with is Nostalgia and good looks. I agree, for thier time, they were amazing cars, i still love looking at them but i do not consider them the 'pinnicale' of automotive engineering
With that said, i want GM to make a faster, more powerful, better handling, etc.. car that fits the market segment the camaro is in. If its called Z28, SS, GTR, ZR1.. i dont care, build a good car, one that makes its place in the history books and I'll line up to purchase such a vehicle!
04-30-2008, 07:01 PM
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"I feel most here care 'a little too much' about the naming conventions."
We are just having a fun debate for ***** and giggles. It is not like a name is going to change what we buy...though I want a rev happy LS3 in a Z/28. Road racers should not have SC.
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We are just having a fun debate for ***** and giggles. It is not like a name is going to change what we buy...though I want a rev happy LS3 in a Z/28. Road racers should not have SC.
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04-30-2008, 07:27 PM
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04-30-2008, 07:48 PM
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Stop reading the books and quoting facts and you'll stop being wrong 
The 302 was not a 290hp engine, and is the most infamous engine of the day for a reason. You're arguing something that you simply do not know about. The Z28 was just plain built to race, the SS was not
The 302 was not a 290hp engine, and is the most infamous engine of the day for a reason. You're arguing something that you simply do not know about. The Z28 was just plain built to race, the SS was not
It was a great engine, I never said it wasn't. The 302 made around 340hp on the dyno, but it lacked the torque of a 396 or 454. I agree, the Z28 was built to race......ROAD RACE!!!
It would get killed on the street or strip by a SS big block car. I personally would take a 427 COPO car over a Z28 back then, if I had the choice.
04-30-2008, 09:22 PM
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How about some Camaro trivia:
1. Who came up with the name for the Z/28 and where did it come from?
2. What was one of the names thrown around for top of line Camaro before they settled on Z/28?
3. What year did Chevy drop the "/" from the Z/28 name?
04-30-2008, 10:35 PM
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Launching!
I'm sure you know that Z/28 was the option code for that particular package.
Wanna guess what the option code was for the SS package?
Z/27
04-30-2008, 11:20 PM
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all i care is that z28, ss, iroc, rs, lt, berlinetta, whatever they choose to call it > mustang
back in the 67 model year, most consumers where unaware of any z28 package, that is why there were only 617 1967 camaro z28s sold. once the word was out, the number increased dramatically for the 68 and 69 model years. as to who was "top dog" i really couldnt say, but to me, they both are.
here is how i see, the things that chevy does right will ultimately become "camaro heritage" the ss, the z28, t-tops, 1le, IROC, etc... the things that fail to capture enthusiasts hearts will ultimately fall by the wayside TPI, berlinetta, lt, etc... regardless, imo owning a camaro makes you an "elitist" whether its a '67 z28, '73 lt, '86 IROC, 93 v6, or an 02 SS. we all own something that makes us part something bad ***!
back in the 67 model year, most consumers where unaware of any z28 package, that is why there were only 617 1967 camaro z28s sold. once the word was out, the number increased dramatically for the 68 and 69 model years. as to who was "top dog" i really couldnt say, but to me, they both are.
here is how i see, the things that chevy does right will ultimately become "camaro heritage" the ss, the z28, t-tops, 1le, IROC, etc... the things that fail to capture enthusiasts hearts will ultimately fall by the wayside TPI, berlinetta, lt, etc... regardless, imo owning a camaro makes you an "elitist" whether its a '67 z28, '73 lt, '86 IROC, 93 v6, or an 02 SS. we all own something that makes us part something bad ***!
05-01-2008, 01:07 AM
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Impala SS 1961-1969
Chevelle SS 1964-1973
Nova SS 1963-1974
el camino SS 1968-1971 or 72 maybe
camaro SS 1967-1971 or 72
Monte Carlo SS 1970-1971 not to mention the 80's models
either way i hope you get my point that chevy went crazy with the SS name long long long ago and it was a combination of a trim package and or engine and suspension package
i know a lot of people will agree with me
you can get a lot of chevys that are SS's but you can only get one Z28 case closed
05-01-2008, 01:44 AM
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To the OP. You are 100% correct. The Z28 should be the top dog like it was in the 1st gen cars. The Z-28 was a purpose built car that even though had the smallest V-8 you could get it was the best all around performer of all Camaros. IIRC 4 wheel disc brakes were introduced on the Z. I also think they should bring back the RS and let it be added to the Z28 and the SS like it was in the first gen cars. If they want retro go all the way. I'll take a black RS/ Z28 with white interior. Or a green RS/SS with white interior. The big block cars are cool and the COPO cars are even cooler but the Z28 is still the best Camaro of all first gens. Well maybe the ZL1 is cooler but damn it was expensive when new and is completely retarded now.
05-01-2008, 07:32 AM
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the original poster said Z-28 > all other camaros, the IROC-Z was an upscale options package on top of a Z-28. there was no 4th gen IROC which means 3rdgen > 4th gen, LS1Tech tells me that LS1 = God, and LS1s were only installed in 4th gens.
Therefore I deduct that IROC-Zs > God. Sorry, the math doesnt lie.
Therefore I deduct that IROC-Zs > God. Sorry, the math doesnt lie.
