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Old 05-01-2008, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Ls1CamaroGuy87
yeah I know IMO they are destroying the "SS" name completely...
'cmon, the chevy equinox ss is the best thing to ever happen to the super sport badge.
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Originally Posted by huskerZ28
'cmon, the chevy equinox ss is the best thing to ever happen to the super sport badge.
Congrats on bashing chevy and using the equinox SS, a non-existant vehicle, as your example.

Besides, anything with an SS badge now is better than some of the lame, anemic pieces of SShit they produced in late 70s and 80s. you mean i get cheesy polyester/plastic interior AND a 170hp 350? awesome!
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Originally Posted by Scoggin Dickey
Seems the thread is divided with people who agree with me and who agree with you. We'll just have to leave it at that. You keep taking oddball options and particular years with special options etc to make your point. My point was simply the Z28 was built to race AS IS, and the 302 was killer. The SS was not.
Actually most are not with me either, some here are with you on this and others are claiming that the SS is was the tog dog. I say that neither were necessarily better or premium to the other. I wasn't cherry picking any year or model.......you could order any year of the base model V8 (OK the 307 wouldnt do real well) or the lowly SS350 put on the HD suspension and take it out and put the hurt on a Z28......the Z28 from the factory wasn't really all that. For best performance any factory vehicle needs prep, do you honestly believe the Penske/sunoco Camaros from 67 - 69 were as they came right off the showroom floor, or that any goober bought a Z28 and went out on a road course and won? The Z28 was just a model that was built under the rules of transam at the time, yes the engine was put together specificlly for that model, but it was built in the same plant and on the same line that assembled the 283 and 307 engines, all the other things a Z28 had were option on the Camaro, hell you could put it on a 6 cylinder car if you wanted too.
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Originally Posted by Ironhead
Really?

I'm sure you know that Z/28 was the option code for that particular package.

Wanna guess what the option code was for the SS package?


Z/27

So what? Z51 is higher then ZO6? What kinda logic is that?
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just a fact to note...

the Cobalt SS today, will walk all over the Camaro Z28 from 1969..

Straight line
cornering
Fuel economy
etc..
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Originally Posted by SSNISTR
So what? Z51 is higher then ZO6? What kinda logic is that?


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Originally Posted by DanO
just a fact to note...

the Cobalt SS today, will walk all over the Camaro Z28 from 1969..

Straight line
cornering
Fuel economy
etc..
Slap Yourself.


Obviously you haven't read this entire post. I will give you the fuel economy though.
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Originally Posted by DanO
just a fact to note...

the Cobalt SS today, will walk all over the Camaro Z28 from 1969..

Straight line
cornering
Fuel economy
etc..
Blasphemy!
Old 05-02-2008, 08:12 AM
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wow 4 pages and really no point.
Old 05-02-2008, 08:26 AM
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ya thers alot of confusion over the camaros,thats why l got a t/a, lol jk, but everyone should know about their cars, instead of just driving them!!
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it doesnt matter cuz all u have to do is buy the biggest cowl induction hood for ur camaro and call it a day, its what mustang owners also do.
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The title of this thread was an invitation for nuthuggers, and that's exactly who showed up.
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Ah yes, the grand ole Z28-vs-SS debate. I love it.

Sure, SS was the top dog in the 4th Gen, but it wasn't always.
Perhaps back in the day the SS led the way in "rated horsepower" but that means squat.

Line up a 1st Gen Z28 and a 1st Gen SS and see what happens, you may be surprised.
That 302 was one of the most under-rated engines ever.

The 1st Gen SS was designed to be the street cruiser.
Loaded up with options and accessories, all the gadgets and gizmos you could want, all the fancy details to make it look good, and a big motor and big power number to go with it.

The 1st Gen Z28 was designed to be the race car.
Low optioned, lightweight, and a small block with a crapload of power.

IMO, there really was no "king"
SS was king of the street, Z28 was king of the race track.

Add in this fact too... of the 36 Camaro model years:
- SS was available in 13 model years
- Z28 was available in 34 model years

Any Chevy can be as SS, but only a Camaro can be a Z28.

As for the answer... what will happen in the 5th Gen?
Well my friends, we're gonna have to wait and see.
But I can assure you this: either way, it's gonna kick ***.
Old 05-02-2008, 12:01 PM
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I was waiting for OctaneS. . .er I mean OctaneZ28 to show up. My point in the beginning was simply to show that 4th gen ideals were not the standard in the past. To think you know what it would mean to go retro and hold true to the car's heritage, you have to know what retro might really mean and not base an opinion simply on 4th gen standards.
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Originally Posted by 1BadAction
the original poster said Z-28 > all other camaros, the IROC-Z was an upscale options package on top of a Z-28. there was no 4th gen IROC which means 3rdgen > 4th gen, LS1Tech tells me that LS1 = God, and LS1s were only installed in 4th gens.

Therefore I deduct that IROC-Zs > God.
Sorry, the math doesnt lie.
If you think about it, you just reiterated what the original poster meant.
In order for you to get the International Race Of Champions (IROC) option, you had to have the "top of the line Camaro"... the Z28
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Originally Posted by Ironhead


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I thought you were being a tool. My bad bro.
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I hope it's like it was in the First Gen years, with the Z28 being such a purpose-driven car. Give it a bare-bones stripper option with the meanest engine and the tightest suspension. Give a matte/satin black finish or whatever you want to call it as an option. How about manual streering option too? I mean, damn, look at the Challenger. They did it, why cant we? I don't want to lust for a Challenger. I want the new Camaro to be my dream car (because if I really wanted to, I can afford one now).
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Originally Posted by OctaneZ28
Any Chevy can be as SS, but only a Camaro can be a Z28.
Any Chevy can be a SS, but only a Cavalier can be a Z24.

Point?
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Never seen a COPO Z28 before, wonder why those COPO cars are the top dogs on the auction blocks and I see a ton of them with SS badges on them. It all comes down to engines, the original Z28, which I have actually driven, was a lighter, strung out and high winding 302 from the destroked 327. The mountain motors came in the SS's, and it made them faster, but nose heavy and not quite as nimble as the Z28's. SOOOOOO

Nose heavy Blown straight line Camaro=SS

Lighter NA smaller motor=Z28

There is the heritage. Saying the Z28 was top dog is a matter of opinion. Just because you could have a base 327 SS trim package does not negate the fact that the big blocks and the COPO cars were SS's. And the Z28 was not faster that the 375 horse 396. I have sat in these cars as a kid when family memebers would line up in them.
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Originally Posted by huskerZ28
'cmon, the chevy equinox ss is I gigantic turd.
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