cabotgsxr

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I was wondering who daily drives there ms4? With a good qality tune is it liveable? I have a brand new ms4 cam kit because I sold the car it was going in now I want to put it in my daily driver ls2 gto.

ls6firebird

i havent put mine in yet, i will be driving the car everyday tho for the most part. from what i hear its not bad with a good tune

Mguncowboy

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The MS4 is tolerable with a good tune. If ur doing the speed limit on the highway in a M6 car w 3.73's you will be riding 5th gear to keep the cam happy below approx 75 mph. I don't daily drive mine, but it see's around town and highway use and I wouldn't hesitate to use it daily if I had to for some reason. Don't expect great fuel milage. Though I've yet to determine if the crappy milage is related to the set up or just the fact that I'm standing on the fuel peddle. Hope this helps some.

rob69zombie

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Nearly any cam is driveable with a proper tune. Just remember; bigger isn't always better. Good luck OP.

cabotgsxr

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Tahnks guys I've just had peopl telling me I'm insaine for what I'm going to try to do. By dd a ms4. would it be any better since its a ls2 compaired to a ls1?

rob69zombie

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The larger displacement will help but you'll still have to turn it to the moon to make power. My philosophy is if you can run 11's cam-only, why not run close to the same time with a lot less strain on your vavletrain?

SOMbitch

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Yeah the extra cubes will make it a little more tolerable and with a GOOD tune that cam can easily be a DD. Have a buddy with one in a 383 and it has better manners than my little 230/234 cam.

Rob makes a good point about the valvetrain and it is one reason I chose a milder cam.......

09camaro383

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Im running an ms4 cam on a 383 and it drives normal, its all on the TUNE

sunset_Z28/RS

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How do you figure that when the cam starts making power at 2500 rpm

disc0monkey

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there is barely an increase in displacement in the 6.0 to make the a noticable difference in the LS2 vs LS1. LS3 you will feel.

rob69zombie

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I'm a fan of lower peak power. I'd rather have a cam that makes great power off-idle and under-the-curve torque than a cam that pulls like a freight-train up top but has to play catch-up. Here's what I mean. Perfect example of under-the-curve power and torque. The 226 car still has the stock LS1 intake while the MS4 car has an LS6.
http://www.streetfire.net/video/ms4w...h-h_111838.htm

cabotgsxr

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ok my intentions are simple I want a 500hp N/A street beast in a ls2. I figured with a
MS4, ported FAST 102/102, worked over set of 243's, kooks 1"7/8 longtubes, kooks street screamer cat-back. along with other supporting mods that this set-up would net me 475-500. Is this possible or am I having a wet dream?

Nsty98LS1

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i'm gonna start off by saying i like the big cams, but definitely not in a GTO, especially a DD one. the car is too heavy & needs torque down low to get them moving. what gears do you have in your GTO? i have 4.30s in my car & run a 27 inch tall tire & i still think it needs more gear. i would try trading it for something like a 228 or similar grind. i have a MS4 in my gutted Trans Am & am tossing the idea around of going a little smaller.

sunset_Z28/RS

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lol looks like to me the guy in the SS didnt know how to drive and was sleeping at the line

rob69zombie

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Looked like the SS launched at the same time to me, but that MS4 had to play catch-up. That 226 had off-idle torque that let him launch out harder. As far as his driving, they're both stalled autos.

ls1curt

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i daily drive my ms4, its got kind of a shitty tune but it cruises like stock. btw by 3500rpm i had about 335ftlb

Ferg95 T/A

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A friend just installed a MS4 in his LS2 GTO. He will be DD it. Has yet to get it tuned tho. He seems to think that it will be fine...but I don't know.

rob69zombie

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I have 2 buddies that DD'd their MS4's and loved it. I'm not anti-MS4 by any means, I just like smaller cams ripping bumpers off at the track and the street. My buddy's 226 cam makes 360ft-lbs at 3500.

09camaro383

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I agree with sunset_Z28/RS also im not a big believer on everything they post on the internet! but looking at the video i see no smoke (exhaust, tires) and it seems they are going slow and you can tell when they get to the camera guy, they should be flying be him!! look at this video they just started racing and seems they are going faster!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_vr2lZKDIg

TXZ28LS1

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i honestly think i should have went with a bigger cam to begin with.. i have never rode in a cammed car ever!! i currently have a 230/227 112 cam and it drives so much like stock. it definitely is all in the tune. i was considering stepping up to a MS3 or hell even a TREX..

i guess it all depends on your goals on the car.. if your just out to have fun for a street car, DD then go for a smaller more midrange cam.. but if your already spending the time and money then just go with a big cam, just make sure you have everything to support running a big cam..