MS4 or MS3 cam with Dart 205 heads and bolt-ons?
08-03-2010, 04:57 PM
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MS4 or MS3 cam with Dart 205 heads and bolt-ons? Well after doing a little research on cams and learning a bit more about them after my last thread, I decided not to go with the GT11 cam.
But rather to go with a MS3 or MS4. I'd rather not go through the hassle and whatnot of a custom ground cam.
First question
Will I have any ptv clearance issues with either cam and my Dart heads?
Second, is it worth it to for me to go up to the MS4 over the 3? How big of gains would I expect over each?
My mods are ported Dart 205 heads, 4k stall 373 gear. The rest are basic bolt-ons listed in my sig.
This is my first cam but I'm not new to cars, just my first N/A build.
I still Daily drive the car about 40 miles a day, but its highway so I'm not too worried about mpg.
Any idea what kind of numbers I would put down with this set-up. Thanks guys. I know its like beating a dead horse with the cam questions, just looking to be pointed in the right direction.
But rather to go with a MS3 or MS4. I'd rather not go through the hassle and whatnot of a custom ground cam.
First question
Will I have any ptv clearance issues with either cam and my Dart heads?
Second, is it worth it to for me to go up to the MS4 over the 3? How big of gains would I expect over each?
My mods are ported Dart 205 heads, 4k stall 373 gear. The rest are basic bolt-ons listed in my sig.
This is my first cam but I'm not new to cars, just my first N/A build.
I still Daily drive the car about 40 miles a day, but its highway so I'm not too worried about mpg.
Any idea what kind of numbers I would put down with this set-up. Thanks guys. I know its like beating a dead horse with the cam questions, just looking to be pointed in the right direction.
08-04-2010, 09:04 AM
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May want to throw this in the Internal Engine Section or whatever it's called. Tons of cam guys in there and I'm sure they'd be able to help with head selection/questions.
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08-05-2010, 11:32 AM
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Looking to put down at least 450 to the wheels through my auto with a stall.
08-05-2010, 12:23 PM
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ok that makes sense....
My car made 402/378 on a low reading Mustang dyno with
Full exhaust, 227/233 112 cam, stock ls1 intake manifold.
I think 450+ is achievable through a stalled auto if you get a perfecty matched H/C/I combo.
My car made 402/378 on a low reading Mustang dyno with
Full exhaust, 227/233 112 cam, stock ls1 intake manifold.
I think 450+ is achievable through a stalled auto if you get a perfecty matched H/C/I combo.
08-05-2010, 12:46 PM
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I picked them up new in the box for a price I couldn't pass up. I'm close friends with someone who does great portwork on heads and the flow numbers didn't disappoint me. So far I haven't had any problems fitting the valvetrain on them either.
08-05-2010, 12:48 PM
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I was just more worried about having to fly-cut with a ms3 cam.
08-05-2010, 01:13 PM
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if you want to optimize the combo to reach your goals without flycutting you should do youself a favor and get a custom grind
there is no hassle, you call you order you pay just like off the shelf...my comp cam was $320 IIRC and it is not an off the shelf grind
there is no hassle, you call you order you pay just like off the shelf...my comp cam was $320 IIRC and it is not an off the shelf grind
08-05-2010, 09:41 PM
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I drive my car on the street way more than I track it, and it will very rarely see the spray on the street so I'd like to make the power to have all the time as opposed to low power with the big shot. If I can get anywhere around that 450 ballpark I'll be more than happy.
I was just more worried about having to fly-cut with a ms3 cam.
I was just more worried about having to fly-cut with a ms3 cam.
what you said is what a good majority of how people on this site drive their cars. no need for a custom cam when your car is just a fun little street car. the MS3 is a good proven cam. alot of people bash big cams but at the same time if your gonna spend the time/money installing a cam dont get conservative..cuz you will definitely go bigger.
i have never drove a cammed car. i have an auto with a 230 cam on a 112 and i tossed around the idea of the MS3. my car is just a fun street car. never gonna see the track, or try to be the fastest... MS3 is a proven cam. give TSP a call and asked them about those heads and the MS3.
08-06-2010, 09:08 AM
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if you want a fun street car that makes big power a huge cam is not the answer
if you spec a combo instead of just throwing proven parts together you will have a car that is faster, stronger through the whole range, good to drive, and in the end will make you a LOT happier
a full weight street car with an automatic with a 4k stall and 3.73 and the ms4 or ms3 won't be a horrible combination...but it won't be as good as a light a4 with a 4400 stall, and 4.10s
with a custom spec cam you might lose 5-10hp up top (or you might make 5 more...) but you can choose your operating range and get a cam that is made to work there for more low end power, perfect torque curve, and still have brutal top end
my cam is basically a tr230, my biggest regret with the car is sticking in a "proven" cam instead of speccing one for my own goals
if you spec a combo instead of just throwing proven parts together you will have a car that is faster, stronger through the whole range, good to drive, and in the end will make you a LOT happier
a full weight street car with an automatic with a 4k stall and 3.73 and the ms4 or ms3 won't be a horrible combination...but it won't be as good as a light a4 with a 4400 stall, and 4.10s
with a custom spec cam you might lose 5-10hp up top (or you might make 5 more...) but you can choose your operating range and get a cam that is made to work there for more low end power, perfect torque curve, and still have brutal top end
my cam is basically a tr230, my biggest regret with the car is sticking in a "proven" cam instead of speccing one for my own goals
08-06-2010, 09:15 AM
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The Dart heads can make some good power when ported. Spend the money and get a custom grind. The MS3,4 are not good for daily drivers, you'll be sorry. They make good top end power but are real lazy down low. I had the MS3 in a 383. I would not do it again.
