Mustang vs F-body?
03-05-2007, 03:24 PM
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Ive owned both and going back to a rustang would feel like switching to a 4 banger. The power doesnt compare to the f-body, unless you waste your money to make it faster. Im not trying to **** any mustang owners off, just telling the truth.
03-05-2007, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxx03
Just so we can have a general convo what would you guys say is the biggest differences of these two?
03-05-2007, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by darrensls1
Please just stop. The 03/04 Cobra vs LS1 debate has been beaten to death. The terminators are amazing machines with forged internals. The LS1 F-bodies are amazing machines in thier own rights but have a variety of weak links such as the 10 bolt, rods, springs, pistons, transmission (if A4), clutch (if M6), suspension, ect.
I hear getting a terminator to 500 rwhp is not that difficult. But for a LS1 you have to spend a fortune to get to 500 rwhp and then another fortune to upgrade everything that 500 rwhp is going to break. I wish we had forged internals from GM
I gotta give credit where credit is due. FORD did a great job on the 03/04 Cobras.
I hear getting a terminator to 500 rwhp is not that difficult. But for a LS1 you have to spend a fortune to get to 500 rwhp and then another fortune to upgrade everything that 500 rwhp is going to break. I wish we had forged internals from GM
I gotta give credit where credit is due. FORD did a great job on the 03/04 Cobras.
03-05-2007, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 02 Camaro SS
You're comparing a brand new supercharged engine to one that is naturally aspirated and came out over 10 years ago.
Originally Posted by Quick1998Z28
where are you getting 810RWHP from just a Kenne Bell? Stop making things up
5.4L GT500 motor is nothing special, blown LS1s make far more power with pretty much the same displacement, with the same boost. Those cars benefit from a forged bottom end (something GM has been too cheap to do since the 60s), which is why you can all-of-a-sudden stuff 20 lbs into it and make 800 RWHP without worrying about the high-quality Eagle forged rotating assembly kicking the bucket... Cobra owners suffer from Supra syndrome. They are obsessed with this "stock bottom end" crap as if it means dick.
5.4L GT500 motor is nothing special, blown LS1s make far more power with pretty much the same displacement, with the same boost. Those cars benefit from a forged bottom end (something GM has been too cheap to do since the 60s), which is why you can all-of-a-sudden stuff 20 lbs into it and make 800 RWHP without worrying about the high-quality Eagle forged rotating assembly kicking the bucket... Cobra owners suffer from Supra syndrome. They are obsessed with this "stock bottom end" crap as if it means dick.
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03-05-2007, 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 67maro
Its about as stupid the LS1 to a a 4.6 with a eaton right? You do know the engine desighn has been out for atleast 7 years if not more in a N/A form.
03-06-2007, 04:11 AM
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03-06-2007, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 02 Camaro SS
No, it's stupider. If you wanna use that logic, then why not compare the LS7 to a N/A 01 Cobra motor?
03-06-2007, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by darrensls1
Please just stop. The 03/04 Cobra vs LS1 debate has been beaten to death. The terminators are amazing machines with forged internals. The LS1 F-bodies are amazing machines in thier own rights but have a variety of weak links such as the 10 bolt, rods, springs, pistons, transmission (if A4), clutch (if M6), suspension, ect.
I hear getting a terminator to 500 rwhp is not that difficult. But for a LS1 you have to spend a fortune to get to 500 rwhp and then another fortune to upgrade everything that 500 rwhp is going to break. I wish we had forged internals from GM
I gotta give credit where credit is due. FORD did a great job on the 03/04 Cobras.
I hear getting a terminator to 500 rwhp is not that difficult. But for a LS1 you have to spend a fortune to get to 500 rwhp and then another fortune to upgrade everything that 500 rwhp is going to break. I wish we had forged internals from GM
I gotta give credit where credit is due. FORD did a great job on the 03/04 Cobras.
03-06-2007, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by miamifan3413
Your right it has been beaten to death, I don't dislike mustangs....I simply prefer the f body & reliability/power of the LS1.....The 03-04 Cobra's are awesome, no doubt about it
The Cobra's is more reliable at higher hp levels...
Well its a hell of a lot more reliable...
The only problem is it is stuck in the same vehicle as a v6 Mustang.
03-06-2007, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Genesis_26317
The Cobra's is more reliable at higher hp levels...
Well its a hell of a lot more reliable...
Well its a hell of a lot more reliable...
I dont think reliablty is what peaple think when they reach a Certain level of horsepower. Its all about power
03-06-2007, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Genesis_26317
The Cobra's is more reliable at higher hp levels...
Well its a hell of a lot more reliable...
The only problem is it is stuck in the same vehicle as a v6 Mustang.
Well its a hell of a lot more reliable...
The only problem is it is stuck in the same vehicle as a v6 Mustang.
then again..the ls1 is stuck in the same body as the v6 firebird...what's the difference? that and how does a 5.7 make the same power as a ford 4.6 from factory...whered that extra liter go?
03-06-2007, 09:58 AM
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I own a '98 Formula and a '98 GT. My girl drives the GT because she's 5'3" and it fits her better, along with the fact that it's an automatic. Sure, it's not fast, but with a few tasteful appearance mods, it can be a nice looking cruiser. We'll be getting it into the low 14's this year and although that doesn't seem like much, it'll be good enough for her.
03-06-2007, 10:12 AM
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Yeah i used to hate Mustangs, even just at the site of a V6 Stang...Then i grew up and started acting like an ADULT!, which wasnt to long ago. i dont hate on any one or any car anymore, every one is going to be diff, deal with it! American Muscle FTW
03-06-2007, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by sr20fd3st
then again..the ls1 is stuck in the same body as the v6 firebird...what's the difference? that and how does a 5.7 make the same power as a ford 4.6 from factory...whered that extra liter go?
5.7 2 valve/4.6 3 valve if I am not mistaken.
The 4.6 is like comparing the LS1 to the LS6. One is a nice motor the other one is basically a factory build up.
I'm not insulting either, I just always thought it was sorta lame that the top end Ford vehicle is on the same chasis as its v6 Mustang model.
Just like I always thought it was lame that they put all of the Evo's technology and performance in the Lancer and not the Eclipse or my personal favorite import the 3000 GT. Which as we all know under performed for the price.
03-06-2007, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by INMY01TA
Didn't know the Cobras came with a bulletproof IRS, kevlar clutch, Hal QA1's, etc.
I don't think you do because we (LS1 F-bodies) lose that debate badly. I can give credit where credit is due. Can you?
03-06-2007, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 67maro
You do understand that its almost twice the size right? Its like comparing a cobalt engine to a Cobra engine. Would you like to compare the Cobra R engine to the LS1? Look up the specs and be ready for a dissapointment.
O.K., Let's compare a 2002 ZL1 SS camaro to that cobra R, 600 hp ain't nothing to play with. And yes, I like mustangs too but I love my chevy's more.
03-06-2007, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by darrensls1
Never said they did. But do you really want to get into a debate on parts and costs to get each car semi-reliably running 500 rwhp?
I don't think you do because we (LS1 F-bodies) lose that debate badly. I can give credit where credit is due. Can you?
I don't think you do because we (LS1 F-bodies) lose that debate badly. I can give credit where credit is due. Can you?
03-06-2007, 12:55 PM
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I actually picked my 99 Cobra over an F-body based on a couple things.
1. The car was a cream puff local one owner car bought at my dealer and serviced there.
2. I knew (no offense) that I would wait to get my LS1 fix another way because of the fact that I always liked the C5's.
3. It was a screaming deal
4. I just love the IRS , progressive handling and the big block coming on cam feel of that 7,000 rpm Cobra engine.
5. I was looking for a limited production car and it was one of 336 in the combo it came in.
As far as bang for the buck its hard to beat F-bodies but Cobra's really wake up to mods too and I loved the handling. I could slide it sideways until the end of time really progressive at the limit.
1. The car was a cream puff local one owner car bought at my dealer and serviced there.
2. I knew (no offense) that I would wait to get my LS1 fix another way because of the fact that I always liked the C5's.
3. It was a screaming deal
4. I just love the IRS , progressive handling and the big block coming on cam feel of that 7,000 rpm Cobra engine.
5. I was looking for a limited production car and it was one of 336 in the combo it came in.
As far as bang for the buck its hard to beat F-bodies but Cobra's really wake up to mods too and I loved the handling. I could slide it sideways until the end of time really progressive at the limit.