So I sealed my airbox completely....
01-31-2009, 03:26 PM
#61
How would adding more air in give you more mileage?
You add more air, the computer adds more fuel.
Where's your mileage?
If anything, putting seals in could only reduce any possible heat coming in, but probably won't.
Having a seal there is making the engine work harder because it has to funnel it all up through your "ram air" vent.
You add more air, the computer adds more fuel.
Where's your mileage?
If anything, putting seals in could only reduce any possible heat coming in, but probably won't.
Having a seal there is making the engine work harder because it has to funnel it all up through your "ram air" vent.
01-31-2009, 04:05 PM
#62
How would adding more air in give you more mileage?
You add more air, the computer adds more fuel.
Where's your mileage?
If anything, putting seals in could only reduce any possible heat coming in, but probably won't.
Having a seal there is making the engine work harder because it has to funnel it all up through your "ram air" vent.
You add more air, the computer adds more fuel.
Where's your mileage?
If anything, putting seals in could only reduce any possible heat coming in, but probably won't.
Having a seal there is making the engine work harder because it has to funnel it all up through your "ram air" vent.
01-31-2009, 04:14 PM
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01-31-2009, 08:57 PM
#65
Check out my FRA, I can think of more creative things to call it, especially looking at the during pics that I will not post up.
I put that wiring loom in there to hide it from under the hood.
I also remounted the trans cooler right in front of the pass side fan, and programmed the fan to come on at a lower temp to draw air through in an attempt to keep hot air from rising up.
The trans runs cooler. But a cold front came in so I don't know about the FRA yet. PS: that is the A/C condenser.
I put that wiring loom in there to hide it from under the hood.
I also remounted the trans cooler right in front of the pass side fan, and programmed the fan to come on at a lower temp to draw air through in an attempt to keep hot air from rising up.
The trans runs cooler. But a cold front came in so I don't know about the FRA yet. PS: that is the A/C condenser.
01-31-2009, 09:30 PM
#66
I saw a 2mpg increase from overinflating my tires. Now thats physics. All that dryer vent is doing is delaying your intake from sucking up cool air. When you're moving, it really makes very little difference with the temperature. FRA = FTRA when moving. As for the whole "ram air" thing.. I saw 0.5-0.7 POSITIVE vacuum with my FRA. From what I can recall from chris' thread, he only saw 0.3. And both of these "ram air" intakes aren't really ram air at all. 0.7 is still well within the range of normal vacuum that an engine could pull at WOT.
You guys bought marketing. Have fun.
01-31-2009, 10:11 PM
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How would adding more air in give you more mileage?
You add more air, the computer adds more fuel.
Where's your mileage?
If anything, putting seals in could only reduce any possible heat coming in, but probably won't.
Having a seal there is making the engine work harder because it has to funnel it all up through your "ram air" vent.
You add more air, the computer adds more fuel.
Where's your mileage?
If anything, putting seals in could only reduce any possible heat coming in, but probably won't.
Having a seal there is making the engine work harder because it has to funnel it all up through your "ram air" vent.
There have been several threads in here with pretty solid proof, including ET + 1/4mile times and even some VE measurements, IIRC. I'll see if I can find the threads.
01-31-2009, 11:21 PM
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Check out my FRA, I can think of more creative things to call it, especially looking at the during pics that I will not post up.
I put that wiring loom in there to hide it from under the hood.
I also remounted the trans cooler right in front of the pass side fan, and programmed the fan to come on at a lower temp to draw air through in an attempt to keep hot air from rising up.
The trans runs cooler. But a cold front came in so I don't know about the FRA yet. PS: that is the A/C condenser.
I put that wiring loom in there to hide it from under the hood.
I also remounted the trans cooler right in front of the pass side fan, and programmed the fan to come on at a lower temp to draw air through in an attempt to keep hot air from rising up.
The trans runs cooler. But a cold front came in so I don't know about the FRA yet. PS: that is the A/C condenser.
02-01-2009, 12:07 AM
#69
Yeah, I saw his 40 threads that all said the same thing.
I saw a 2mpg increase from overinflating my tires. Now thats physics. All that dryer vent is doing is delaying your intake from sucking up cool air. When you're moving, it really makes very little difference with the temperature. FRA = FTRA when moving. As for the whole "ram air" thing.. I saw 0.5-0.7 POSITIVE vacuum with my FRA. From what I can recall from chris' thread, he only saw 0.3. And both of these "ram air" intakes aren't really ram air at all. 0.7 is still well within the range of normal vacuum that an engine could pull at WOT.
You guys bought marketing. Have fun.
I saw a 2mpg increase from overinflating my tires. Now thats physics. All that dryer vent is doing is delaying your intake from sucking up cool air. When you're moving, it really makes very little difference with the temperature. FRA = FTRA when moving. As for the whole "ram air" thing.. I saw 0.5-0.7 POSITIVE vacuum with my FRA. From what I can recall from chris' thread, he only saw 0.3. And both of these "ram air" intakes aren't really ram air at all. 0.7 is still well within the range of normal vacuum that an engine could pull at WOT.
You guys bought marketing. Have fun.
First of all, my ram air and Chris's ram air is not made from dryer vent. It is made from aluminum, and is identical to the FTRA!!!!!I really think you need to read this article. http://www.installuniversity.com/ins...sity/index.htm Pay attention to Table 1 vs. Table 2..
And if you chose not to read it, the FTRA showed an increase of 0.9 percent over the stock configuration. Third gear showed the exact same increase over the stock configuration. A 0.9 percent increase in volumetric efficiency stuffs an extra 31 cubic inches of air into the engine.
Like i said, this is proven, chris has proven it with ets lower IATs and what not. Jump on the bandwagon and help us promote our marketing skills
02-01-2009, 12:08 PM
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come on people, these arguments are like saying the stock intake stuff is fine, no reason to get a lid.
As far as sealing off the airbox well it seems to me you seal it off so hot engine compartment air isnt getting into the intake, also the turbulence your getting from having different streams of air ram into each other is detrimental. Id rather have one solid steady stream of cold air ramming into my manifold then a dozen different air streams jostling for entry, some cool and some around 200 degrees.
As far as sealing off the airbox well it seems to me you seal it off so hot engine compartment air isnt getting into the intake, also the turbulence your getting from having different streams of air ram into each other is detrimental. Id rather have one solid steady stream of cold air ramming into my manifold then a dozen different air streams jostling for entry, some cool and some around 200 degrees.
02-01-2009, 12:42 PM
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you're really an idiot First of all, my ram air and Chris's ram air is not made from dryer vent. It is made from aluminum, and is identical to the FTRA!!!!!
I really think you need to read this article. http://www.installuniversity.com/ins...sity/index.htm Pay attention to Table 1 vs. Table 2..
And if you chose not to read it, the FTRA showed an increase of 0.9 percent over the stock configuration. Third gear showed the exact same increase over the stock configuration. A 0.9 percent increase in volumetric efficiency stuffs an extra 31 cubic inches of air into the engine.
Like i said, this is proven, chris has proven it with ets lower IATs and what not. Jump on the bandwagon and help us promote our marketing skills
First of all, my ram air and Chris's ram air is not made from dryer vent. It is made from aluminum, and is identical to the FTRA!!!!!I really think you need to read this article. http://www.installuniversity.com/ins...sity/index.htm Pay attention to Table 1 vs. Table 2..
And if you chose not to read it, the FTRA showed an increase of 0.9 percent over the stock configuration. Third gear showed the exact same increase over the stock configuration. A 0.9 percent increase in volumetric efficiency stuffs an extra 31 cubic inches of air into the engine.
Like i said, this is proven, chris has proven it with ets lower IATs and what not. Jump on the bandwagon and help us promote our marketing skills
So for an extra 0.2 vacuum I should spend $200?
Why not just get some slicks, you'll see a definite improvement at the track.
Besides chris and install university, where are your other independent testers.
02-01-2009, 02:11 PM
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There's not a single test that shows it NOT working, and plenty that say it does - there's a total lack of evidence to support an argument that it doesn't work. 10-15 extra HP is worth 200, especially if you've done the other mods (and it's even more if you've done the other modifications).
02-01-2009, 02:51 PM
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Aside from any potential performance gain, I think the primary reason you want to be sure your lid has a good seal is to properly filter the air coming into your engine. If you have gaps around the lid, there's a pretty good chance you're going to be sucking dust and crap into your engine.
02-01-2009, 03:28 PM
#76
Every bit helps, that's why. Fasttoys also reported what they saw and got as testers as well.
There's not a single test that shows it NOT working, and plenty that say it does - there's a total lack of evidence to support an argument that it doesn't work. 10-15 extra HP is worth 200, especially if you've done the other mods (and it's even more if you've done the other modifications).
There's not a single test that shows it NOT working, and plenty that say it does - there's a total lack of evidence to support an argument that it doesn't work. 10-15 extra HP is worth 200, especially if you've done the other mods (and it's even more if you've done the other modifications).
02-01-2009, 04:50 PM
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Aside from any potential performance gain, I think the primary reason you want to be sure your lid has a good seal is to properly filter the air coming into your engine. If you have gaps around the lid, there's a pretty good chance you're going to be sucking dust and crap into your engine.
02-01-2009, 05:01 PM
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agreed, I don't think you're going to see major hp gains from any of this what I will say is this. I fully intend on putting foam to seal my airbox up, not for hp gains but to keep crap from by-passing my filter. I think that is #1 priority anyway and its accomplished that. End of story, just my .02$
