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Old Jan 10, 2012 | 01:54 PM
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is it safe? Does anyone suggest it? and will i need to change out my Valvetrain springs?
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Old Jan 10, 2012 | 03:08 PM
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^ I would call Texas Speed befor you do anything. And you will have to change springs that is if those are stock?
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Old Jan 10, 2012 | 03:48 PM
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Yes you can install it without removing heads. You're definitely going to have to have new valvesprings, and pushrods as well.
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Old Jan 10, 2012 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by vetteboy99
is it safe? Does anyone suggest it? and will i need to change out my Valvetrain springs?
It's close. Awfull BIG for your setup. Yes, duals recommended.
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Old Jan 11, 2012 | 09:52 PM
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heads can stay on .get a complete cam pkg and install kit.consider trunnion bearing upgrades with a big cam.
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 11:57 AM
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I used 3/16 rods and slid them in the block to keep the lifters from falling when i did mine. Im still on a stock rocker. New push rods and springs come in the kit along with shims to do the swap. Very advisable to swap the oil pump and put a new timing chain.
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 08:03 PM
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They say it's required to change out the springs, but I heard People running ls6 springs with aftermarket cams. This is in a 04 z06 btw. Bone stock valve train, unless the guy before me upgraded.
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 08:20 PM
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I think LS6 springs are only rated for like 550 lift and the MS4 is 649. You'll need new pushrods. I'm running a MS4 on the stock rockers but I do have the trunion upgrade I just haven't had a chance to pull my rockers lately. While its a part might as well throw a LS2 chain on as well. 45 bucks worth of insurance. Ive heard of people using 5/16 brake line to hold the lifters up or you could get thunder racings tool.
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Old Jan 25, 2012 | 04:50 PM
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How much time will it take me to remove the heads, swap the valvetrain, and slap them back in there? I don't have the money to get some fully assmebled Heads. Might port the stock ones while they are out. I just don't feel good doing it but i have done it before, Nor do I want someone I don't know working on it.
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 01:20 AM
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Swap the valvetrain with the heads in the car, easiest way to do it.
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 01:28 AM
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C5s are even easier to do valvetrain/heads with them in the car. Remove the heads and you need new bolts.

Leave them in the car.

Springs are a must.

Why Ms4?
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 02:56 AM
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Why Ms4?
Cause its the coolest
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 01ssreda4
Cause its the coolest
Duh, why did I even ask.

BTW... I think the TREX is the coolest by most standards, it is the biggest so that would make sense.
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 04:12 AM
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Why MS4? Because racecar
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I wouldn't suggest it...simply because I went thru this, a little more difficult to change the springs on the car as opposed to the bench. Also, I wouldn't want to run stock lifters in an ms4 car. Unless it's really low miles.

Also, just to throw this out there, there are better cam's that will make more power under the curve. Esp with stock heads. Ms4's like compression and timing. I would look into a 228 r or maybe a little larger for cam only. You Will have much better results.
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 04:36 AM
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I ran my Ms4 from 100K-116K miles with stock lifters.. Zero issues, still running strong today.
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Not to Hijack the thread but anybody knows where to get a lifter holder for a cam swap with the heads on?
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 07:55 AM
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Get some dowel rods from Lowes.
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 08:09 AM
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I ran my Ms4 from 100K-116K miles with stock lifters.. Zero issues, still running strong today.
got 135 k on mine no issues yet lol
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How long?

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