New Hooker 4th-gen F-body Headers and Exhaust
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Friend of mine showed me some pics of a guy that installed this system on tsp longtubes and said it bolted right up with no modifications. I believe he said that all the guy did was not use the intermediate pipes that came off of the mid length headers that make that first bend. I cant confirm this but I did see the pics and it looked like it was bolted right up. I will see if I can find the pics
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I've been trying to arrange in install on a co-workers B4C over the last month but have not been successful yet due to a full development schedule and the Holidays getting in the way...I'll see if I can get some traction on that project again.
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I dont remember seeing cats. He swears all he did was just not use the pipes that come off of the mid lengths in the kit. If this can be confirmed then they need to sell the kit with a different sku# without the connection pipes for a discounted price.
Toddoky.... most all of the longtubes out there exit in the same location. Have you ever tried to slip this kit onto a set of hooker longtubes? I guess you would need a 3"-2.5" reducer
Buddy says he saw the picture on facebook. Im gonna try and get you guys a link
Toddoky.... most all of the longtubes out there exit in the same location. Have you ever tried to slip this kit onto a set of hooker longtubes? I guess you would need a 3"-2.5" reducer
Buddy says he saw the picture on facebook. Im gonna try and get you guys a link
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The existing Hooker long-tube headers were test fit on the car as the first step in the development of the new dual exhaust system; they did not meet the fitment requirement of the new Hooker Blackheart product line and so were excluded from being part of the development effort. We sell lots of those headers, but they were designed to different standards, at a different time, and don't properly represent what we are currently producing within the Blackheart line. Because of this, there was no effort made to connect the exhaust system to those headers.
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The existing Hooker long-tube headers were test fit on the car as the first step in the development of the new dual exhaust system; they did not meet the fitment requirement of the new Hooker Blackheart product line and so were excluded from being part of the development effort. We sell lots of those headers, but they were designed to different standards, at a different time, and don't properly represent what we are currently producing within the Blackheart line. Because of this, there was no effort made to connect the exhaust system to those headers.
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I think what Toddoky's trying to say is that the system is engineered to meet certain criteria, one of which being ground clearance. Early on, they realized that the existing Hooker LT's wouldn't meet that criteria and abandoned the idea of using this system on them. I don't think Hooker feels the cost/benefit is there to attempt to connect it to their LTs or any other LTs.
Basically, if folks want to do this, it'll be a shadetree exercise, and as more of these are mated to LT's the information will start to flow forth as to what works, what doesn't, and how to achieve connection for the various manufacturer combinations. I wouldn't look to Hooker to validate this as they simply can't and won't trying out various combinations to see what works and what doesn't.
Basically, if folks want to do this, it'll be a shadetree exercise, and as more of these are mated to LT's the information will start to flow forth as to what works, what doesn't, and how to achieve connection for the various manufacturer combinations. I wouldn't look to Hooker to validate this as they simply can't and won't trying out various combinations to see what works and what doesn't.
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I think what Toddoky's trying to say is that the system is engineered to meet certain criteria, one of which being ground clearance. Early on, they realized that the existing Hooker LT's wouldn't meet that criteria and abandoned the idea of using this system on them. I don't think Hooker feels the cost/benefit is there to attempt to connect it to their LTs or any other LTs.
its obvious that this system can be made to work with LTs. im sure any custom exhaust shop can fab up a piece from the collector to the pipe so its not that big of a deal.
i personal will be running the mid-length headers this system comes with when/if i get it bc i dont think the gains of the LTs will out weight the pros of the system being ground clearance and a tight fitment. plus i wont be making enough power for it to matter since we seen the system in the black procharged t/a didnt really lose anything.
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I agree with what you are saying....I want the ground clearance. I am awaiting the report on the catback only though, as I kind of want to keep my cats. Just don't want to deal with the smell.
I get what Hooker is trying to do with this Blackheart line....and from the pics and feedback, it seems they are achieving it. Great fitment and quality components/welds. I can appreciate that.
I get what Hooker is trying to do with this Blackheart line....and from the pics and feedback, it seems they are achieving it. Great fitment and quality components/welds. I can appreciate that.
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I think what Toddoky's trying to say is that the system is engineered to meet certain criteria, one of which being ground clearance. Early on, they realized that the existing Hooker LT's wouldn't meet that criteria and abandoned the idea of using this system on them. I don't think Hooker feels the cost/benefit is there to attempt to connect it to their LTs or any other LTs.
Basically, if folks want to do this, it'll be a shadetree exercise, and as more of these are mated to LT's the information will start to flow forth as to what works, what doesn't, and how to achieve connection for the various manufacturer combinations. I wouldn't look to Hooker to validate this as they simply can't and won't trying out various combinations to see what works and what doesn't.
Basically, if folks want to do this, it'll be a shadetree exercise, and as more of these are mated to LT's the information will start to flow forth as to what works, what doesn't, and how to achieve connection for the various manufacturer combinations. I wouldn't look to Hooker to validate this as they simply can't and won't trying out various combinations to see what works and what doesn't.
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Your criticism is based on making an apples to apples comparison between two cars with completely different architecture under the front half of them both. Providing the absolute best ground clearance available in each complete system was a design requirement of each and the same type of ground clearance is not achievable in a 4th-gen with a set of long-tubes. The 4th-gen system was designed for enthusiasts that have balanced priorities of performance, fitment and sound quality, maximized ground clearance and build quality...the reviews from users on this forum and retail sites like Summit are more indicative of us achieving our goals than being "lazy" in my opinion. Prototyping long tube headers isn't any more difficult than prototyping mid-length headers, so the amount of work required to develop them had no bearing on the decision to exclude them from the development of the system in its current form.
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does this system clear these type of TQ arm setups? (links below). where the mounting bar is welded to each SFC.
http://umiperformance.com/catalog/in...roducts_id=755
http://umiperformance.com/catalog/in...roducts_id=754
http://umiperformance.com/catalog/in...roducts_id=755
http://umiperformance.com/catalog/in...roducts_id=754
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does this system clear these type of TQ arm setups? (links below). where the mounting bar is welded to each SFC.
http://umiperformance.com/catalog/in...roducts_id=755
http://umiperformance.com/catalog/in...roducts_id=754
http://umiperformance.com/catalog/in...roducts_id=755
http://umiperformance.com/catalog/in...roducts_id=754
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I know they're out there, but I don't follow orders to know what ships where. I do know that the 409ss versions have sold in larger numbers and been produced in greater numbers because of that fact.
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My father in law has this exact setup installed on his M6 1998 Trans Am.
Even being lowered, everything fit great. He has it hooked up to the EBay stainless LONGTUBE headers.
All it takes is an hour of some measuring and your favorite cutting tool and a welder. It's not rocket science.
System tucks up very well and sounds excellent.
Even being lowered, everything fit great. He has it hooked up to the EBay stainless LONGTUBE headers.
All it takes is an hour of some measuring and your favorite cutting tool and a welder. It's not rocket science.
System tucks up very well and sounds excellent.
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My father in law has this exact setup installed on his M6 1998 Trans Am.
Even being lowered, everything fit great. He has it hooked up to the EBay stainless LONGTUBE headers.
All it takes is an hour of some measuring and your favorite cutting tool and a welder. It's not rocket science.
System tucks up very well and sounds excellent.
Even being lowered, everything fit great. He has it hooked up to the EBay stainless LONGTUBE headers.
All it takes is an hour of some measuring and your favorite cutting tool and a welder. It's not rocket science.
System tucks up very well and sounds excellent.
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Will this exhaust work with the BMR 4 point sub frame connectors and the UMI torque arm relocation crossmember . Cant find any info on this .wondering if you did in testing . If it will this perfect set up for me
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A definitive answer to your question is not known as all development was done on a stock configured vehicle.