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Old Jun 15, 2020 | 06:00 PM
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I need to spin my water pump a little faster at idle. Temp climbs at idle with ac on, if i idle it up 200-300 rpm then it doesnt creep up in temp. I have an under drive pulley, which I CANNOT get rid of because my turbo drain would hit t he stock pulley. I have the idle set at 650, 850 is too high for my small cam. So I figure a smaller water pump pulley would help offset it. Anyone seen one before?
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Old Jun 15, 2020 | 06:39 PM
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Can't say I have. I don't even know if you can remove the pulley from the factory pumps... Are the temps climbing to the point where the car is overheating? Are your fans kicking on with the A/C on? Should be that the car gets warmer, but as the t-stat opens it'll reach equilibrium, then when you drive the temps will drop.

Only thing I could offer as an upgrade is an electric water pump.
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Old Jun 15, 2020 | 07:03 PM
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Can't say I have. I don't even know if you can remove the pulley from the factory pumps... Are the temps climbing to the point where the car is overheating? Are your fans kicking on with the A/C on? Should be that the car gets warmer, but as the t-stat opens it'll reach equilibrium, then when you drive the temps will drop.

Only thing I could offer as an upgrade is an electric water pump.
they sell a hub for it. You pull the stock pulley off, press this hub on and bolt a edelbrock pulley to it. Problem is that pulley is the same as stock.

car doesn’t overheat but it’ll get to 215-217 on a hot day in a fast food drive through. The fans come on at 165, both of them.

electric water pump is way too far out of my budget unfortunately.

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whats your setup ? with a LT1 rad and 160 stat mine hardly gets above 205....in a long idle.....according to the dummy gauge

have you adjusted the computer to a lower fan temp ?
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Old Jun 15, 2020 | 07:25 PM
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whats your setup ? with a LT1 rad and 160 stat mine hardly gets above 205....in a long idle.....according to the dummy gauge

have you adjusted the computer to a lower fan temp ?
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Old Jun 16, 2020 | 08:44 AM
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whats your setup ? with a LT1 rad and 160 stat mine hardly gets above 205....in a long idle.....according to the dummy gauge

have you adjusted the computer to a lower fan temp ?

Well yea, the fans would normally come on at like 205 but I have them coming on at 165.

I just need to spin my water pump faster, I'm trying to avoid having to machine a pulley, but if I have to, so be it.
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Old Jun 16, 2020 | 08:22 PM
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I think if you turn the pulley faster you may risk cavitation

with what you have it seems it would be plenty cool....do you have a real temp gauge or just the dummy gauge ?

what coolant are you using ?
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Old Jun 16, 2020 | 08:38 PM
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I think if you turn the pulley faster you may risk cavitation

with what you have it seems it would be plenty cool....do you have a real temp gauge or just the dummy gauge ?

what coolant are you using ?
so if I turn the pump the same speed as stock, it’s going to cavitate? Can you explain how that would happen? I have an under drive pulley on the crank right now. Slowing the pump down from stock. It’s obviously not pumping enough water because if I raise idle speed by a little, it cools down. I know by that, it needs to turn a little faster.

I have a digital temp gauge
1) it displays on my driver info screen in exact numbers
2) on my hp tuners scanner
3) I have the torque app on my radio

I’m using dexcool at a higher water percentage, one bottle of redline water wetter.

it’s not plenty cool at 215-217 degrees for a turbo engine. In my opinion. I prefer it 185-190.
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So this is 215ish at idle only? Once you start moving a little (more rpm) it cools back down?
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So this is 215ish at idle only? Once you start moving a little (more rpm) it cools back down?

correct. I don’t have to start moving though. I can give it a little more rpm, starts coming back down. Like said, I have an underdrive pulley and the idle rpm is only 100 rpm higher than stock because I have a smallish cam. This tells me the water pump isn’t spinning quite fast enough.
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correct. I don’t have to start moving though. I can give it a little more rpm, starts coming back down. Like said, I have an underdrive pulley and the idle rpm is only 100 rpm higher than stock because I have a smallish cam. This tells me the water pump isn’t spinning quite fast enough.
If 215 is your warmest temp leave it alone, that is perfect. Otherwise, you could get an electric water pump pulley as it isn't dependent on engine RPMs for flow.
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Old Jun 17, 2020 | 12:08 AM
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I know you don't like the higher temps, and I can't blame you, but as long as it's ONLY while idling, AND it cools as soon as it goes above idle, no possible harm can come to your engine.
It sounds like it just does not flow fast enough, as you mentioned.
Ever thought of swapping out the underdrive pulley for the stock one again? Or do other gremlins show their ugly face again?
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so if I turn the pump the same speed as stock, it’s going to cavitate? Can you explain how that would happen? I have an under drive pulley on the crank right now. Slowing the pump down from stock. It’s obviously not pumping enough water because if I raise idle speed by a little, it cools down. I know by that, it needs to turn a little faster.

I have a digital temp gauge
1) it displays on my driver info screen in exact numbers
2) on my hp tuners scanner
3) I have the torque app on my radio

I’m using dexcool at a higher water percentage, one bottle of redline water wetter.

it’s not plenty cool at 215-217 degrees for a turbo engine. In my opinion. I prefer it 185-190.
I am only guessing at cavitation ...but it may be a real concern if exceeding the stock parameters for pulley speeds

you did not mention your stat temp

I would not use water wetter with dex cool....I dont think those chemicals play nice together .....for ***** n giggles try distilled water with the appropriate amount of water wetter and see if it makes a diff
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Originally Posted by Kfxguy
correct. I don’t have to start moving though. I can give it a little more rpm, starts coming back down. Like said, I have an underdrive pulley and the idle rpm is only 100 rpm higher than stock because I have a smallish cam. This tells me the water pump isn’t spinning quite fast enough.
I run a high flow PRW pump on my 434, belt driven. Not sure what your custom pulley might cost, but could be similar in pricing? Underdriven 10% here, but others are as well without issue. I guess every combo is different...
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Old Jun 17, 2020 | 08:43 AM
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I know you don't like the higher temps, and I can't blame you, but as long as it's ONLY while idling, AND it cools as soon as it goes above idle, no possible harm can come to your engine.
It sounds like it just does not flow fast enough, as you mentioned.
Ever thought of swapping out the underdrive pulley for the stock one again? Or do other gremlins show their ugly face again?
I wish I could but my turbo drain is right behind the pulley. The hose goes inbetween the bracket and the pulley, barely enough room with he underdrive, definitely wont work with the bigger stock pulley.

I'm afraid on an even hotter day, its going to climb higher. It;; get to 98f here sometimes, that day was a "cool" 91ish day. it wasnt as humid as it can get. So i'm trying to be proactive.
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Originally Posted by sjsingle1
I am only guessing at cavitation ...but it may be a real concern if exceeding the stock parameters for pulley speeds

you did not mention your stat temp

I would not use water wetter with dex cool....I dont think those chemicals play nice together .....for ***** n giggles try distilled water with the appropriate amount of water wetter and see if it makes a diff
I'll try that. Maybe I'll swap to honda coolant since I can get it free all day long.
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I run a high flow PRW pump on my 434, belt driven. Not sure what your custom pulley might cost, but could be similar in pricing? Underdriven 10% here, but others are as well without issue. I guess every combo is different...
I may just get higher flow pump. that should help.
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That's definitely too hot for my taste, I always prefer to run in the 180's at idle. Have you tried to simulate the solution by setting the idle higher? Idle it at 900 and see if it does fix your cooling concerns at idle.
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That's definitely too hot for my taste, I always prefer to run in the 180's at idle. Have you tried to simulate the solution by setting the idle higher? Idle it at 900 and see if it does fix your cooling concerns at idle.
yea, see we are on the same page. I prefer a lower temp. I’ll idle it up and see what it does. My prediction is it’ll cool better in neutral like when I just give it a little pedal but may negate it in drive from the extra engagement of the torque converter. I’ll see tho.
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I know the PRW advertises as a high flow pump....but I am curious if anyone has taken off the back plate to compare to a stock pump
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