Project: Red Devil (2002 Camaro SS, M6)

Current power mods: None. GM bone stock. No SLP options or anything. Dynoed on a hot day with 1800 miles at 300rwhp.

Objective: To get ~375rwhp with bolt-ons, cam, and little to no tuning. Must be very streetable, and be able to avoid dealer hassles.

Current idea:
LS6 cam, LS6 springs, TTS headers, Corsa catback, SLP lid, K&N filter, SLP MAF... Should get me to about 350rwhp, I think.

Now, with all this in mind...what should I do/change to get me to 375? All opinions wanted.

Thanks!

<small>[ April 02, 2003, 05:24 PM: Message edited by: Red Devil ]</small>

 

pullies....free mods...i know just that wont get you there, but its a start...also i think you can get a better cam than the ls6... <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

<small>[ April 02, 2003, 05:38 PM: Message edited by: ArcticSS ]</small>

 

Yeah, I know there are other cams out there... I'm just learning about them, though. I'm worried mostly for reliability, drivability, and PCM tuning. I don't care much about lope...a little is cool, but it's not important.

This car is my daily driver, and I don't want the thing stalling out on me at lights and such. Being able to use the stock tuning on stock heads is a plus.

What other cams can do this for me?

 

im not sure on the specifics for cams, but im pretty sure a lot of these guys on this board are running stronger cams in their daily drivers. i plan on getting one from Comp Cams eventually (im a broke-*** right now) in my daily driver. but to answer the question, i will let the experts on this board help you out. you could always call a sponsor that sells cams and ask some questions too. and i may be wrong, but i think you will need tunning after the cam. good luck. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

 

What about roller rockers in addition to what I've stated? Will that help?

 

Roller rockers wont really be worth it. For a cam go with something around a TR220 or a TR244 on a 114 LSA. With the stock idle speed it should have some lope to it <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

 

I've read about those...but to be honest, I dunno where to get them and what exactly they require. Will they need PCM tuning? How much power will they provide, and what kind of powerband?

I'm a real newbie when it comes to cams...obviously.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Current idea:
LS6 cam, LS6 springs, TTS headers, Corsa catback, SLP lid, K&N filter, SLP MAF... Should get me to about 350rwhp, I think.

Now, with all this in mind...what should I do/change to get me to 375? All opinions wanted.

Thanks!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">cam: TR220 on a 114 LSA or MTI's B1
springs: Comp Cams 918s
headers: FLPs (gives you the option for cats or no cats)
cat-back: Hooker
lid: Texas Speed & Performance Lid
filter: Holley Powershot (better quality)
maf: Stock ported or MAF ends (if you are getting some tuning)

Add ported TB and an ASP pulley to the list and you should be around your target goal.

 

What's the difference between a ported stock MAF and MAF ends? Also, I thought I understood that upgrading the throttle body is a pain and unnecessary until you're really pushing air through.

Looks like I can't avoid tuning to get the power I want.

 

Oh, I see. I was thinking he meant getting a bigger throttle body. Dunno what I was thinking. <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" />

Now what's the deal with a ported MAF or MAF ends?

 

one word....NITROUS

 

No, no nitrous. I want this NA.

 

I got a cam for sale, its got about 25-30 miles on it..

Its a Comp Cam 214/218 .540/.550 114lsa

That would be a nice quiet cam.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> and would make some descent power <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

 

Hmm...Im not an expert, but if you want it to be very streetable, I say go with a Solid Roller Cam. It should be enough...I think it will get u where u want to be HPwise. J/J, Seriously though..Maybe MTI B1 or T1 Cam(or something more aggresive), FLP Headers, Corsa Catback, Free Mods, MAF, TB Ported, Pulley,Lid/Filter and this should net u around where u want to be..Tuning is a Must if u want to reach taht HP. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />

 

Okay... I've come up with my first package, just as I've been browsing ThunderRacing.com.

- TR224 114LSA cam kit (includes Comp 916 springs, hardened pushrods, etc)
- Corsa catback
- FLP headers
- Ported throttle body
- MAF ends
- ASP pulley and belts

How's that looking?

Also, in regards to pulleys... ThunderRacing has a few options. Which should I go for? I'm not gonna have any big stereos (the Monsoon's good enough for me), but I might get an HID conversion kit down the road.

One more thing, in regards to the MAF... Which would be better: MAF ends, ported stock MAF, or SLP 85mm MAF, and why?

//edit: I meant TR224, NOT a 244. That was a typo.

<small>[ April 03, 2003, 01:05 PM: Message edited by: Red Devil ]</small>

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by slowverado:
<strong> one word....NITROUS </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The bottle is your friend.....the bottle is your friend.....

 

If my car is gonna have power, it's gonna be there all the time. I don't want to have to refill it. It's like taking Viagra. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Red Devil:
<strong> Project: Red Devil (2002 Camaro SS, M6)

Current power mods: None. GM bone stock. No SLP options or anything. Dynoed on a hot day with 1800 miles at 300rwhp.

Objective: To get ~375rwhp with bolt-ons, cam, and little to no tuning. Must be very streetable, and be able to avoid dealer hassles.

Current idea:
LS6 cam, LS6 springs, TTS headers, Corsa catback, SLP lid, K&N filter, SLP MAF... Should get me to about 350rwhp, I think.

Now, with all this in mind...what should I do/change to get me to 375? All opinions wanted.

Thanks! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Take my setup, and go with a B1 or TR220 for a less noticable lope, and you'll be where you want to be.

 

If you need to sneak a cam by a dealer, I'd think about the LS6 cam, or a 218/115/+2 or 218/114 cam. I think a 224/114 cam is noticeable. An LS6 cam is not noticeable but you could do more cam and pick up more power...

I'd do a ported TB and a crank underdrive pulley and you should be there.

A little drilling of the TB idle air hole should fix idling issues...

 

anything in the 220's for duration is noticeable..

The cam I'm selling idles like stock.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> But should make good power... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />