Garbage Pacesetter LTs...
Only problem I have with my pacesetters is the ceramic coating is starting to wear through no the bottom of them. We had it on the lift the other day and was disgusted at we saw. They were only on the car for about 2 or 3 months. Oh well, I got them for around $400 brand new. What did I expect? They still do their job and wasn't that hard to install. Of course, I have the race ready ones.
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Originally Posted by john3daly
Only problem I have with my pacesetters is the ceramic coating is starting to wear through no the bottom of them. We had it on the lift the other day and was disgusted at we saw. They were only on the car for about 2 or 3 months. Oh well, I got them for around $400 brand new. What did I expect? They still do their job and wasn't that hard to install. Of course, I have the race ready ones.
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Wow, the only prob I HAD with my Pacesetters was the y-pipe banging. It doesn't even bang anymore and my headers haven't rusted yet. Maybe it has to do with the environment where I live. I'm happy with my headers, they're as shiney as the day I got them about a year and a half ago.
I dont think its about getting what you pay for. I paid $1,618.32 for my Slp longtubes and y-pipe with random cats when they first came out. The only other header i had seen for an Ls1 was FLP. I chose Slp and they turned out to be alot of problems and even though it wasnt supposed to be possible for them to rust(according to SLP) they did. Fast has a million dollor throttle body(sarcasm) that doesnt work. Patriot sells heads that seem to have a new problem every month. Pacesetters obviously have there problems. People just dont care.... its about making money and thats where it seems to end.
Every company is going to make some mistakes.. Im sure TTP has even made some mistakes, but im also sure thats it was fixed in a professional manner. Its when these companies continuously create junk products and offer crappy service, that you just know noone really cares.
Matt didnt put anyone down for not buying ss headers. Like you said not everyone has the money. Just my opinion but if you can save enough for the headers cant you save for just a little longer and get the ss. I can promise you that when you are ripping those rusted headers out of your car and having you buy new ones, you will wish you had waited a little longer.
All the parts we buy for our cars is for fun and its not like you have to have them to live or to make your car run. Like Matt said.. why put a junk part on your 30k car.
Every company is going to make some mistakes.. Im sure TTP has even made some mistakes, but im also sure thats it was fixed in a professional manner. Its when these companies continuously create junk products and offer crappy service, that you just know noone really cares.
Originally Posted by GT Griller
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Here u go. Coated buddy. This thread prolly just gonna start alot of fighting, by saying pacesetter is trash u are putting us guys who have them down as well. Not every one has the cash to get SS headers.
Oh and the make ur own extensions thing is very simple. I don't see why yall have such a problem with them. I made my own and drive in snow and rain with no porblems.
Here u go. Coated buddy. This thread prolly just gonna start alot of fighting, by saying pacesetter is trash u are putting us guys who have them down as well. Not every one has the cash to get SS headers.
Oh and the make ur own extensions thing is very simple. I don't see why yall have such a problem with them. I made my own and drive in snow and rain with no porblems.
All the parts we buy for our cars is for fun and its not like you have to have them to live or to make your car run. Like Matt said.. why put a junk part on your 30k car.
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Or, you could always just get a better coating than what Pacesetter provides... I got mine uncoated and had Performance Coatings put their black satin thermal coating on them. With their coating, my headers look just like they did when I bought them 15 months ago. 
A little more expensive than whatever coating Pacesetter uses, but then again, my headers ain't rusty so well worth it IMO.
A little more expensive than whatever coating Pacesetter uses, but then again, my headers ain't rusty so well worth it IMO.
Obviously weather conditions are going to play a role but I think alot depends on the quality of the coating itself. I had a set of HPC coated Edelbrock headers on my old 92 Z28 for about 7 years. It was my daily driver for the first 2-3 years so it saw a couple Chicago winters. After 7 years the coating looked as good as it did the first day, there was no rust or flaking anywhere not even near the collectors.
I'm curious who Pacesetter has coat thier headers or if they do it themselves. It will be interesting to see how long these hold up on my car.
I'm curious who Pacesetter has coat thier headers or if they do it themselves. It will be interesting to see how long these hold up on my car.
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I think Pacesetter gets their coating from Jet Hot... after seeing how many people had problems with rusting of their coated headers, I decided to get the coating done myself.
Performance Coatings has a website... just go to performancecoatings.com. A little pricier, but IMO they've been every bit as good as they said they'd be.
Performance Coatings has a website... just go to performancecoatings.com. A little pricier, but IMO they've been every bit as good as they said they'd be.
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Originally Posted by TTPMatt
By using butt splices that are not harmonically sealed, they are not weatherproof therefore they can corrode therefore causing an increase in resistance which would give you a false reading on your o2 sensors.
- Matt
- Matt
i've got the race pacesetters on my car and am very pleased with them, as stated before, there is no contest between coated headers. if you do not want to ante up for stainless, you better be buying pacesetters. mine fit extremly well and look great from the top. that picture of the screwed up coated headers never being in rain or snow is hard to believe. that almost just looks like red dirt stuck to them, are you sure you diddnt run the baja 2000 with those ?
if you want stainless, there is Kooks and QTP to debate over.
i installed a set of kooks headers for a buddy a while back and they were a work of ART compared to mine. but if you diddnt notice, i dont have any picasso's hanging around in my house
if you want stainless, there is Kooks and QTP to debate over.
i installed a set of kooks headers for a buddy a while back and they were a work of ART compared to mine. but if you diddnt notice, i dont have any picasso's hanging around in my house
Originally Posted by 2xLS1
Get a tap and tap the holes. What ever happened to car crafting and not just bolting stuff on.
Originally Posted by leeluther252
If you are gonna craft then why not just buy some tubing and build your own headers. If you are gonna buy something already made then it should be done right.
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Originally Posted by cyphur_traq
hmmm.....its not the top of the headers people usually worry about. its the other 75% of the header thats really in the path of debris and weather conditions. if you're cool with rusted **** all over your car, thats cool. go buy a pinto or a '84 honda. i drive a nice car compared to many college students i know and i refuse to put anything subpar on my car.......even if that means I go w/o mods while I save up. that goes from bolt-ons all the way to full motors.
Originally Posted by TTPMatt
I didnt listen to my own policy of never installing Pacesetter headers.. After never installing anything but Kooks, FLPs & even Hooker/Jet Hots, we havent run into problems with any of them. However, the Pacesetter quality control is crap. We received a set of LTs that all of the emission fittings are not tapped for threads. The two AIR fittings and one EGR fitting are not threaded. So now we have to put a nut & bolt through to keep the tubes on. Which now includes extra labor since everyone knows how fun it is to put EGR back on the car, now we have to squeeze in behind the EGR to put a nut/bolt on it. To top it off these are 2000 LTs and the EGR is not in the correct place so we are re-bending the tubes.
Never again will TTP touch a set of Pacesetters.
The old phrase "you get what you pay for" comes back to mind here.
Never again will TTP touch a set of Pacesetters.
The old phrase "you get what you pay for" comes back to mind here.
Originally Posted by TTPMatt
By using butt splices that are not harmonically sealed, they are not weatherproof therefore they can corrode therefore causing an increase in resistance which would give you a false reading on your o2 sensors.
- Matt
- Matt
MTI does the same thing. Only difference is they use heat shrink tubing to seal them
This is a shop that started this thread. In the time it took them to post the thread and all their replys, they could have tapped the holes
We do custom fabrication for chassis, exhaust, etc. tapping a few holes or making o2 extensions is not a big deal. The thing is passing it on to the customers for something that should have been done in the first place is rediculious.
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Originally Posted by TTPMatt
This should not have to be done. On a production product EVERYTHING should be included and/or fitted properly. The LS1 f-bodies have been out for years now having a product that doesnt fit or company is too cheap to TAP holes is rediculious.
We do custom fabrication for chassis, exhaust, etc. tapping a few holes or making o2 extensions is not a big deal. The thing is passing it on to the customers for something that should have been done in the first place is rediculious.
We do custom fabrication for chassis, exhaust, etc. tapping a few holes or making o2 extensions is not a big deal. The thing is passing it on to the customers for something that should have been done in the first place is rediculious.
