Garbage Pacesetter LTs...
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ya it requires a longer hose on drivers side witch was annoying but still the bargain you get is great! and the quality of the product is good to, the installation is just a tad bit harder/longer...no big deal to me
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From: The South
Originally Posted by SiL3NtXWS6
I love my pacesetter headers and Y pipe. They don't leak, they don't bang, they don't rust.. seems like i got more than i payed for. I'd buy them again in a heartbeat.
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From: las vegas, nv
I bought Pacesetters, uncoated & with egr & air fittings.The holes weren't tapped... So? I did it the way they suggested and it's fine. It's not a big deal at all.
The egr fitting doesn't line up correctly.. So? I just bought some block off plates, took out the EGR system and called it a day.
After I had whole exhaust system welded up (TSP ORY, Cut-out, Magnaflow) it doesn't bang much at all. Maybe a little, and I mean very little and not that often. Not enough for me to buy a ******* $40 clamp with a little rubber on it.
You have to be ready to adapt to any type of situation. Honestly Matt, I can't believe you let this stuff crack you. If you complain about these tiny things, I'd hate to see how your shop reacts when something REALLY goes wrong, like dropping a lifter during a cam install, or breaking a spark plug off in the hole, or the myriad of other catastrophies that working on cars can bring. Lighten up.
Everyone is different, im with Matt though and thats why i shop at TTP. TTP removed a set of year old Hooker Headers with Rust on the bottom side with Jet Hot coating. Some people only care about the power, i care about everything from the looks to handling and thats why i save. Im by no means rich either. If i were debating headers, im telling you, save the extra month, headers will not simply disappear and you will no longer be able to get them. Save and get SS.
Originally Posted by Scoobie
Everyone is different, im with Matt though and thats why i shop at TTP. TTP removed a set of year old Hooker Headers with Rust on the bottom side with Jet Hot coating. Some people only care about the power, i care about everything from the looks to handling and thats why i save. Im by no means rich either. If i were debating headers, im telling you, save the extra month, headers will not simply disappear and you will no longer be able to get them. Save and get SS.
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Originally Posted by TTPMatt
Why would you buy non coated headers? As is I have seen numerous coated mild steel headers chip off and rust very easily. The ceramics are $700 on special. My recommendation is always 304 stainless, never rust, no worries put them on the car and no worries for life.
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Originally Posted by Scoobie
Everyone is different, im with Matt though and thats why i shop at TTP. TTP removed a set of year old Hooker Headers with Rust on the bottom side with Jet Hot coating. Some people only care about the power, i care about everything from the looks to handling and thats why i save. Im by no means rich either. If i were debating headers, im telling you, save the extra month, headers will not simply disappear and you will no longer be able to get them. Save and get SS.
I believe that eveyone would agree that SS is better, but that is not what the title of this thread said!! Again.....Garbage? Maybe someone got a bad set?? Kinda of like I have meet a few Yankees that are real jerks, but I don't call them all DAMN YANKEES
Ok, please forgive my rant!
Hey Matt 2 questions,
1. So how much does it cost to install pacesetters?
2. Are you even going to install them anymore?
I have a set and I"m about 10miles from you. Just wanted to know if I need to look elsewhere for installation.
Oh yeah I need pacesetters, catted Y, and cam install.
Thanks
1. So how much does it cost to install pacesetters?
2. Are you even going to install them anymore?
I have a set and I"m about 10miles from you. Just wanted to know if I need to look elsewhere for installation.
Oh yeah I need pacesetters, catted Y, and cam install.
Thanks
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Originally Posted by blkZ28spt
To be fair, you live in texas. How long have you had them? They WILL rust when exposed to water, and will rust horribly when driven in the winter in the parts of the country that actually have that season.
Last edited by SiL3NtXWS6; May 7, 2005 at 01:57 PM.
My pacesetters are just gettting a little bit of surface rust, right on the collectors. When they start to get bad im going with kooks. I dont have any complaints other than that though, 350 shipped and they fit very well.
Funny reading this post, I have a set of TPIS coated headers. These were not a cheap header. I believe I paided $900 US for the headers and Y pipe. Six months after the install the coating is starting to go brown and blister. 2 years and 20,000 miles and they are leaking at one of the welds The coating has flaked and rusted both on top and around the collector. The irony is that I ordered a set of Kooks from Matt just a couple of weeks ago Now if he can put a fire under Kooks butts to get my new headers to me I will be a happy camper.
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Lots of people feel the need to defend what they've spent hard-earned money on. If you like coated, great. Good for you. They shine nicer when first put on. If you only drive the car on sunny days, they're great for you. I run Kooks, and Kooks alone. My car sees everything Texas has to offer(and I'd run them if I lived in NY like I did for the first 2/3 of my life). Am I going to bash Pacesetter b/c I dished out for Kooks? No.
If you're gettin worked up b/c someone totally disagrees with your opinion of headers you've spent money on, its just headers. Get some thicker skin. We all have pretty much the same motor(except those LT1 fellas)....try to pay attention to the bigger things
If you're gettin worked up b/c someone totally disagrees with your opinion of headers you've spent money on, its just headers. Get some thicker skin. We all have pretty much the same motor(except those LT1 fellas)....try to pay attention to the bigger things
My opinion is that you should either go for the top of the line kooks or just get the pacesetters. Being a college student on a tight budget they work great for me. My car never sees inclement weather so I'm not too worried about rust.
Originally Posted by Lady Redhawk
Come on guys!!! The title to this thread it "Garbage Pacesetters"!! And that is uncalled for! Rust? I personally have seen NO PACESETTER HEADERS RUST in Western North Carolina! As stated before, we have seen and installed quite a few sets and believe me if there was trouble we would have heard about it!
I believe that eveyone would agree that SS is better, but that is not what the title of this thread said!! Again.....Garbage? Maybe someone got a bad set?? Kinda of like I have meet a few Yankees that are real jerks, but I don't call them all DAMN YANKEES
Ok, please forgive my rant!
I believe that eveyone would agree that SS is better, but that is not what the title of this thread said!! Again.....Garbage? Maybe someone got a bad set?? Kinda of like I have meet a few Yankees that are real jerks, but I don't call them all DAMN YANKEES
Ok, please forgive my rant!
) It held us up ALMOST 10 minutes 
This is like everthing else for peeps that say"I would only use Kook's headers" but you might take a less expensive way out in another are that someone else would say that "you" are cutting corners in 
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From: Texas and Qatar
I prefer the non-emission's headers myself. I also use the O2 PnP extensions, that wire kit shouldn't even be in those header boxes. I end up using the wiring for other things like shift lights, guages, etc...
I don't know if it's just me, but it seems like there's a hidden agenda somewhere in the ranting in this thread. Everybody knows Pacesetter's are the cheapest and the old rule of "you get what you pay for" is a popular one, none the less the experiences are out there, dozens and dozens of people are using Pacesetters without issue.
I personally just installed my Paceetter LT's a few weekends ago, mind you i'm new to the F-body world altoghether, not a problem whatsoever. Both headers slid right up into place, no need to disconnect or undo anything (not even on the drivers side). I could care less about EGR and AIR because I deleted it anyways, so really the only gripe I had with the entire provess was the "Do it yourself O2 extentions" which i found humorus but aside from that I had zero issues.
$400 for LT's and ORY led me to expect problems, yet I had zero.. you won't find me complaining.
I <3 Pacesetters
I personally just installed my Paceetter LT's a few weekends ago, mind you i'm new to the F-body world altoghether, not a problem whatsoever. Both headers slid right up into place, no need to disconnect or undo anything (not even on the drivers side). I could care less about EGR and AIR because I deleted it anyways, so really the only gripe I had with the entire provess was the "Do it yourself O2 extentions" which i found humorus but aside from that I had zero issues.
$400 for LT's and ORY led me to expect problems, yet I had zero.. you won't find me complaining.
I <3 Pacesetters
My question to the starter of this thread. You said that you better have a quality product or Great customer service. Nowhere in here did i read about you contacting pacesetter about these problems. So how can you judge that. No, one ever has a bad day. Some people must have more money than brains. If you are complaining that you had to fiddle with a nut and bolt and that is what made your opinoin on these headers being crap, you my friend, fit that description.
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Originally Posted by blkZ28spt
To be fair, you live in texas. How long have you had them? They WILL rust when exposed to water, and will rust horribly when driven in the winter in the parts of the country that actually have that season.
And FYI, I live in the Pacific Northwest... wet enough and "wintery" enough for ya?
While I do try to avoid driving in weather that's less than ideal, I've driven through plenty of rain here, as it is difficult to avoid.My coated Pacesetters still look like they did when they went in... had the car up on a rack just a few days ago showing a mechanic friend, and he was amazed to see what my 15 month old headers looked like.
Granted I didn't get my coating from Pacesetter, but you get the point. If you can't afford to get the stainless headers, mild steel is fine, just make sure you get a quality coating.
I think what it all boils down to is this: People who have the money get SS and swear by them. People who can't/don't want to afford SS and have the Pacesetters swear by them. People who care down to the last detail what their car looks like (and there is nothing wrong with this at all), get the SS. People who aren't too worried about what a header that will never be seen looks like get the Pacesetter. You see where this is going. Even if it rusts, say I get 5-6 years out of them. In a 10-12 year period, I can buy two sets of Pacesetters and still have less money in the headers than if I originally bought the SS. Looking at it that way, the Pacesetters are more than good enough for me. One man's "garbage" is another man's treasure!!