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Old 06-05-2005, 10:06 AM
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I replaced the bolt after the cam swap but now we have to take it out. will I need to buy a new one or is the one I have ok since it was only used for a day.
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Originally Posted by nvrstsfd23
I replaced the bolt after the cam swap but now we have to take it out. will I need to buy a new one or is the one I have ok since it was only used for a day.
You will have to replace it if it is a factory GM crank bolt, it has stretched... Don't risk it.... Heck they are only $7-10....

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Originally Posted by nvrstsfd23
I replaced the bolt after the cam swap but now we have to take it out. will I need to buy a new one or is the one I have ok since it was only used for a day.
Hmm don't make a mistake, the required bolt is relatively low cost and can be replaced when removing the pulley.
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The bolt is designed to stretch when you put that final 120 degree turn on it when tightening down. As a result once it's removed you need a new one. They're called torque to yield bolts b/c you're taking the bolt to it's yield point and it has permanent plastic deformation after that (it's stretched).
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while on the subject whos got the best deal on an arp? hell this buying a new bolt (for the 4th time i think) is getting expensive....i always say ok this is the last time its coming apart then..6 months later its down again.hahahh
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I dont know how much the ARP bolt is but make sure you have a 12 point socket when you install it........

by the way my cost on the GM bolt is 2.76.
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Originally Posted by redbandit98
while on the subject whos got the best deal on an arp? hell this buying a new bolt (for the 4th time i think) is getting expensive....i always say ok this is the last time its coming apart then..6 months later its down again.hahahh
I got my arp bolt from thunder about 25$$ .
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I personally believe replacing the bolt is a load of crap. The bolt may not be as elastic as it was but who cares...it sure isn't going to break. Put a dap of silicone on the treads and under the washer and it will never come off until you want it to. It is not like it is a head bolt that has really been stretched.
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my opinion: replace the bolt with an ARP and be done with it. it is a quality piece of metal.
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Originally Posted by ChucksZ06
I personally believe replacing the bolt is a load of crap. The bolt may not be as elastic as it was but who cares...it sure isn't going to break. Put a dap of silicone on the treads and under the washer and it will never come off until you want it to. It is not like it is a head bolt that has really been stretched.

Torque to yield is just that...yield(point of failure/stretch)
It doesn't matter what type or size of bolt it is...TTY fasteners are only "good" for one use.(torque-ing) Even non TTY fasteners are only good for a limited number of torque-ings.


Just the facts ma'am.
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Originally Posted by technical
Torque to yield is just that...yield(point of failure/stretch)
It doesn't matter what type or size of bolt it is...TTY fasteners are only "good" for one use.(torque-ing) Even non TTY fasteners are only good for a limited number of torque-ings.


Just the facts ma'am.
I'm just curious of anyone who has installed a used bolt properly and had a failure? I've reused TTY bolts on rockers, and crank several times (pulling rockers on and off on my L67 car, probably 5 installs on the bolts, 45K miles, no failures). Just relube them, and you're good to go, if you install them right.

...that or spend 3 bucks. That's what I did for my new balancer bolt.
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ive heard of people not buying a new one without having any failures, would I do it, if I was in a bind yea, but if I was in no hurry id just get a new one.
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my buddy re-used his factory bolt and had the pulley fly off while the car was at 6800rpm
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Originally Posted by ramairstyle00
my buddy re-used his factory bolt and had the pulley fly off while the car was at 6800rpm
Was there any evidence of the bolt breaking or was it completely gone (like it just backed out)?
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Originally Posted by Red99TA
Was there any evidence of the bolt breaking or was it completely gone (like it just backed out)?

it had backed out.

he put that bolt on TIGHT to... 200+ pound man lifting himself up by the breaker bar
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200+ pound man lifting himself up by the breaker bar doesn't mean it was tq'd to 37 ft lbs then turned another 140* though.
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Originally Posted by digitalsolo
... Just relube them, and you're good to go, if you install them right.
The correct install is to replace the bolt. If they're going to break they typically they will break during torque-ing. Otherwise you just don't get the correct tension and they either back out like the above post stated or they don't provide the correct seal... e.g. a head gasket.
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Originally Posted by 2xLS1
200+ pound man lifting himself up by the breaker bar doesn't mean it was tq'd to 37 ft lbs then turned another 140* though.

can't really do much more then that
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Originally Posted by ramairstyle00
can't really do much more then that
Then be prepared to keep losing bolts. With a long enough cheater bar, the bolt can be turned 140* easily. I use a 3/4" drive breaker bar with a 3' piece of pipe. I actually have to be careful not to go past 140*. I use the Kent Moore F/W locking tool also. On over 25 cam installs, I've never had a crank bolt come loose.
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Originally Posted by 2xLS1
Then be prepared to keep losing bolts. With a long enough cheater bar, the bolt can be turned 140* easily. I use a 3/4" drive breaker bar with a 3' piece of pipe. I actually have to be careful not to go past 140*. I use the Kent Moore F/W locking tool also. On over 25 cam installs, I've never had a crank bolt come loose.
agreed

i weigh 125#'s and even i can get it to 140



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