Spark plug question
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Spark plug question Ok, maybe someone here has seen this problem when pulling their plugs.
I have developed a terrible miss in the car. Dealer said #2 misfiring then refused to work on it because it had an exhaust and air lid. Oh yeah..and subframe connectors. (thats another topic) I pulled #1,3,5 & 6 plug today and the white part of the spark plug is a pinkish, white color.
Has anyone ever seen this before? I thought I should see a browinsh color.
2001 Pontiac TA WS6, the plugs that came with the car were Jensen plugs. Were anyone else's plugs Jensen? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" />
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>SavageTA
I have developed a terrible miss in the car. Dealer said #2 misfiring then refused to work on it because it had an exhaust and air lid. Oh yeah..and subframe connectors. (thats another topic) I pulled #1,3,5 & 6 plug today and the white part of the spark plug is a pinkish, white color.
Has anyone ever seen this before? I thought I should see a browinsh color.
2001 Pontiac TA WS6, the plugs that came with the car were Jensen plugs. Were anyone else's plugs Jensen? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" />
THanks
>SavageTA
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Re: Spark plug question Thanks for the reply Justin, Ive checked that. It's always the easiest things first.
I just pulled the #7 plug and it was a chocolate brown wet color, exactly what I was anticipating the rest to look like, but the rest were pink. Some closer to red than pink. I've seen this happen when you add fuel additives like octane boost, but I have'nt added anything like that.
There is also a terrible knocking in the engine area that I did'nt notice before. Does'nt sound terrible but it's there. Any ideas gentlemen?
Thanks
Brent
I just pulled the #7 plug and it was a chocolate brown wet color, exactly what I was anticipating the rest to look like, but the rest were pink. Some closer to red than pink. I've seen this happen when you add fuel additives like octane boost, but I have'nt added anything like that.
There is also a terrible knocking in the engine area that I did'nt notice before. Does'nt sound terrible but it's there. Any ideas gentlemen?
Thanks
Brent
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Re: Spark plug question Maybe pinkish is the color it's supposed to be. But get this, First here's my mods on the car. Slp dual exhaust, MTI Airlid, Throttle body bypass, Electronic cutout, SFC's and Strut tower brace. I removed the HPP programming 2 weeks ago, as well as the Gmaf. 2001 TA WS6 10,500 miles.
The dealer would not repair the car, or work on it under warranty. He stated that "because it looked like a race car" he would'nt even touch it. Im not afraid one bit to mention that it is Beck and Masten Pontiac in Houston TX. This a-hole service manager has been my nemesis since I got the car. He has refused every bit of warranty work I've requested, and I have had to constantly argue with him. This time he refused to fix it period. It still has the OEM tires and they look brand new. The car has had excellent care taken care of it and this is what I have to deal with. Im really pissed at this dealer today, can you tell?
The dealer would not repair the car, or work on it under warranty. He stated that "because it looked like a race car" he would'nt even touch it. Im not afraid one bit to mention that it is Beck and Masten Pontiac in Houston TX. This a-hole service manager has been my nemesis since I got the car. He has refused every bit of warranty work I've requested, and I have had to constantly argue with him. This time he refused to fix it period. It still has the OEM tires and they look brand new. The car has had excellent care taken care of it and this is what I have to deal with. Im really pissed at this dealer today, can you tell?
Re: Spark plug question You know as sad as this sounds I am having a similar problem right now. I changed my stock plugs with TR55's gapped at ..050 and now I started it and it is missing really bad. I check ed all the wires twice and gonna check again and the plugs tonight. I guess I just need to keep checking. Man just as I got all the bugs worked out of the cam swap now this. ARG! Oh well keeps me busy I suppose
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Re: Spark plug question To all:
I have found out the problem with the car and its not pretty. The headgasket is blown which probably caused a bent puch rod or damaged piston. Regardless, the dealer still won't work on the car under warrnaty although I have not added and-ons that would have caused this to happen. <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" /> And now I want to fight it.
I was told by the shop working on the car now, that there is a law or statute that states the owner's rights under circumstances like mine, where the dealer refuses to honor the warranty.
Can anyone cite this law or statute, or direct me to where I can find it?
Forum director: Sorry if this is the wrong forum but there is'nt a forum for legal battles. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Sincerely,
Brent
I have found out the problem with the car and its not pretty. The headgasket is blown which probably caused a bent puch rod or damaged piston. Regardless, the dealer still won't work on the car under warrnaty although I have not added and-ons that would have caused this to happen. <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" /> And now I want to fight it.
I was told by the shop working on the car now, that there is a law or statute that states the owner's rights under circumstances like mine, where the dealer refuses to honor the warranty.
Can anyone cite this law or statute, or direct me to where I can find it?
Forum director: Sorry if this is the wrong forum but there is'nt a forum for legal battles. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Sincerely,
Brent
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Re: Spark plug question Another update is that the dealer has again denied the warranty claim stating that colt on modification's voids yur manufacturer's warranty.
But after a bit of research, and some help from the guys here the Magnuson-Moss Warrant act states that (in layman's terms) that a manufacturer cannot deny a warranty claim based on the fact that the vehicle has bolt on modifications, unless the damage to that vehicle was attributed to those particular add ons.
After stating that in a letter to Beck and Masten Pontiac in Houston Texas, they still refused the claim, stating that bolt ons void your warranty. Its like beating a dead horse. Guess its time to get out the old lawyer!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[guns]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />
Anyone else here want to give me a written statement that a Airlid, SLP exhaust system, Throttle body bypass kit and a cutout could not cause a headgasket to blow? Please contact me or send it to my e-mail address brentws6@directvinternet.com
Thanks to all who do!
Brent
But after a bit of research, and some help from the guys here the Magnuson-Moss Warrant act states that (in layman's terms) that a manufacturer cannot deny a warranty claim based on the fact that the vehicle has bolt on modifications, unless the damage to that vehicle was attributed to those particular add ons.
After stating that in a letter to Beck and Masten Pontiac in Houston Texas, they still refused the claim, stating that bolt ons void your warranty. Its like beating a dead horse. Guess its time to get out the old lawyer!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[guns]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />
Anyone else here want to give me a written statement that a Airlid, SLP exhaust system, Throttle body bypass kit and a cutout could not cause a headgasket to blow? Please contact me or send it to my e-mail address brentws6@directvinternet.com
Thanks to all who do!
Brent
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Re: Spark plug question call general motors headquarter and file a complaint against them. FWIW, i wouldnt let a dealer like yours touch my motor. more likely than none he will purposely screw things up more. i brought my car in for cracked rotors, fought with the service manager, and then the tech torqued my lug nuts to like 300 ft lbs <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> , and scratched my paint to hell with those shop towels.
