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Old Jun 19, 2006 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Hennytime
oh, i also just thought of something, does this new intake manifold have a burst disk in it like the fast 90 in case of a nitrous backfire
i dont know if this metal intake needs a burst disk, i thought the DAST one used a burst disk to prevent damage to the intake, i dont think it is as easy to blow this intake up...
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Old Jun 20, 2006 | 11:26 AM
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We started shipping the 85mm LS1 model manifolds out to our warehouse distributors around the 6th or 7th of June. It takes a while for them to filter down to the retailers. We have had the manifolds in inventory for several weeks but did not have the fuel rail kit portion as they are made in a different factory than the manifolds. As soon as the fuel rails arrived, we packed them into the manifold boxes and started shipping them to our WD's the same day.

Those of you who have them on order should be receiving them very soon.

With respect to a burst panel, a cast aluminum manifold will not explode as easily as the plastic ones. Our manifold does have a flat aluminum panel on the bottom of it that is 2.5mm (0.098") thick. In the case of a violent backfire it would probably pop without damage to the manifold. Normally cast aluminum manifolds do not have any type of pop-off valve or burst panel unless it is a blower manifold.
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Old Jun 20, 2006 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JasonWW
I looked at pictures of a 98 and a 2001 and they both had the same little muffler thing on the crossover. We need a picture to know what the hell we are talking about.

Here is my engine, can I get one of your LS1 versions with the 85mm inlet and fuel rails right now (and use my stock TB), or would I need to wait on your fuel rail regulator thingy?
Ok....here is the latest info. The round item on the fuel rails on 1999 and later vehicles is some type of pulse device the minimizes injector noise. It is not a critical componenent. I just talked to Mark McPhail, a former GM engineer, who was part of the team that designed the LS1 engine.

Until our kit is ready for engines that do have a regulator as part of the fuel rail assembly (1997-'98), you can assemble all the necessary parts from current aftermarket suppliers. There is a diagram in our manifold instructions that should give you enough info to plumb up what is needed.

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Old Jun 20, 2006 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DuronClocker
Yeah my Z is an earlier '98 (production date was like Nov. '97), and I don't have a fuel return line either. I was confused when I heard that 97-98 had a return line because mine doesn't, lol. That would mean the LS1 F-bodies never had a fuel system with a return line.
'98 F-bodies do not have a return line and are the same as the 99+ ones.
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Old Jun 21, 2006 | 12:38 AM
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im really considering putting this on the cc and selling the ls6...whens the lsx 96mm going to be out for the ls1
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Old Jun 21, 2006 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Hennytime
im really considering putting this on the cc and selling the ls6...whens the lsx 96mm going to be out for the ls1
was wondering the same thing?
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Old Jun 21, 2006 | 07:29 AM
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Thats what I'm waiting for also.
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Old Jun 21, 2006 | 12:43 PM
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Will those fuel rails work with a FAST?
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Old Jun 21, 2006 | 03:15 PM
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Is 96MM too big for stock cubed motors? Mines going to be a high reving drag car but dont want to go overboard with the intake? What would you guys recomend?
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Old Jun 21, 2006 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by a98ws6
Is 96MM too big for stock cubed motors? Mines going to be a high reving drag car but dont want to go overboard with the intake? What would you guys recomend?
Personnally, I think 96mm is a little overkill for a 346ci motor. Just my .02. I'm going to go with the 85mm.
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Old Jun 21, 2006 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by a98ws6
Is 96MM too big for stock cubed motors? Mines going to be a high reving drag car but dont want to go overboard with the intake? What would you guys recomend?
That depends on a lot of other factors. If you have a big cam and aftermarket heads, you can use a larger t.b. G.M. went to a 91mm t.b. for the 400 hp LS2. I don't how how big the LS7 t.b. is to feed 505 hp. But if it is bigger than 91mm that would be a clue that a larger t.b. would help. Of course the LS7 is larger displacement but it actually comes down to how much air/fuel you can get into the engine regardless of displacement as to how much power it will make.

On our dyno tests we ran the stock t.b. and made over 500 hp with cam and heads and our manifold. Could we have made more with a bigger t.b.? Probably.

Like the stock 91mm t.b. our 96mm unit is designed with a spherical opening so that at part throttle you are seeing much less butterfly opening on the throttle body than you see with a straight bore t.b. This is so when you first start to open the throttle you don't let too much air in and cause a stumble.

That said, if you are running a relatively stock engine, I would certainly stick with the 85mm unit. As I said before, we squeezed over 500 hp out of one of these engines with a stock throttle body.
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Old Jun 21, 2006 | 07:14 PM
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Is there going to be a package put together with the whole setup including the TB?
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Old Jun 21, 2006 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jimdavis@professiona
That depends on a lot of other factors. If you have a big cam and aftermarket heads, you can use a larger t.b. G.M. went to a 91mm t.b. for the 400 hp LS2. I don't how how big the LS7 t.b. is to feed 505 hp. But if it is bigger than 91mm that would be a clue that a larger t.b. would help. Of course the LS7 is larger displacement but it actually comes down to how much air/fuel you can get into the engine regardless of displacement as to how much power it will make.

On our dyno tests we ran the stock t.b. and made over 500 hp with cam and heads and our manifold. Could we have made more with a bigger t.b.? Probably.

Like the stock 91mm t.b. our 96mm unit is designed with a spherical opening so that at part throttle you are seeing much less butterfly opening on the throttle body than you see with a straight bore t.b. This is so when you first start to open the throttle you don't let too much air in and cause a stumble.

That said, if you are running a relatively stock engine, I would certainly stick with the 85mm unit. As I said before, we squeezed over 500 hp out of one of these engines with a stock throttle body.
It wont be stock but stock heads. Its going to be a forged 347, with a BIG cam and ALL the bolt ons. Set up for drag racing mostly. Also how much gain would one see if they went with a 85mm intake and stock TB over a 85mm with your 85mm TB?
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Old Jun 21, 2006 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by gillbot
Is there going to be a package put together with the whole setup including the TB?
i hope so maybe a little discount?
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Old Jun 21, 2006 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by gillbot
Is there going to be a package put together with the whole setup including the TB?
its about 530 already, id say an even 500 and id pounce on it, not to mention it comes with fuel rails...
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Old Jun 21, 2006 | 08:35 PM
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Hey Jim,

Where are those manifolds made?

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Old Jun 21, 2006 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Hennytime
its about 530 already, id say an even 500 and id pounce on it, not to mention it comes with fuel rails...
I'm not as concerned as much with a discount as getting the right parts all at once. A discount would be nice though.
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Old Jun 22, 2006 | 12:07 AM
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well i mean its just the tb and the intake w/ the fuel rails, and since its motor specific there shouldnt be much of anything else to get wit hit unless im forgeting a gasket or some bolts but its late
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Old Jun 22, 2006 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jimdavis@professiona
We started shipping the 85mm LS1 model manifolds out to our warehouse distributors around the 6th or 7th of June. It takes a while for them to filter down to the retailers. We have had the manifolds in inventory for several weeks but did not have the fuel rail kit portion as they are made in a different factory than the manifolds. As soon as the fuel rails arrived, we packed them into the manifold boxes and started shipping them to our WD's the same day.

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With respect to a burst panel, a cast aluminum manifold will not explode as easily as the plastic ones. Our manifold does have a flat aluminum panel on the bottom of it that is 2.5mm (0.098") thick. In the case of a violent backfire it would probably pop without damage to the manifold. Normally cast aluminum manifolds do not have any type of pop-off valve or burst panel unless it is a blower manifold.

So is this manifold going to support boost? 15 PSI pushing against such a thin panel..... has any testing been done in this area?
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Old Jun 22, 2006 | 02:54 PM
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Hey Jim,

Where are those manifolds made?

Andrew
In Asia, but what isn't made there?

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