Drew778

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OK, I'm not saying anything bad about either one, just sharing.

This was done last night (very humid it rained before we raced, but we waited it out.

With two different cars running against each other, both are 2002 SS, A4's, dynoed 299 hp stock.

First run:
Lid --- FIPK
reac .809 --- .553
60ft 2.109 --- 2.099
1/8 8.849 --- 8.698
mph 82.40 --- 83.84
1/4 13.651 --- 13.450
mph 102.27 --- 103.48

Changed lanes second run:
FIPK --- Lid
reac .596 --- .803
60ft 2.041 --- 2.187
1/8 8.612 --- 8.8986
mph 84.28 --- 81.83
1/4 13.326 --- 13.828
mph 104.39 --- 101.40

His mods:
35th SS 2002 Anniv.A4 .whisper lid w/holley filter.lca,sfc,stb &phr.dyno bone stock-299 rwhp.with aftermarket lid and k&n filter-318 rwhp.track times:09 Feb.02 13.385@103.60/60ft.-2.197 on F1 tires.

My mods in sig.

<small>[ April 14, 2002, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: drew778 ]</small>

WeatherGuy

Drew - It is a little hard to figure out what you posted, but if I am reading it right, it looks like the FIPK gave much better results. Two questions - was one side of the track hooking better? And why did the person with the lid always have the slower RT?

If there was nothing funky with the track, then this shows that the FIPK definitely worked better. And this is the complete opposite of what I found on the dyno <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> I wonder if the SS hood helps these that much.

nuzee

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Hey Drew,
Sounds like your setup is making power! Its hard to tell mod differences between cars but your numbers show that your mods are not hurting you any. Those reaction times are killer. I'm not looking forward to lining up against you at the track anytime soon. Good information, as always. Thanks for posting.
NU

Drew778

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I know it's hard to believe since he dynoed 4hp more than me with his setup and he has 5000 miles and I have 3400 miles.

I was surprised that the FIPK did so good in the humid weather, and kind of a big mph difference.

It's seem with the 1/8 time and mph the FIPK kicks in sooner?

Just trying to make myself feel better for spending the money on the FIPK <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

minty

You actually didnt prove anything. Because the first run with the FIPK has a .2 better 60ft than the second run with the lid. Meaning that its the same thing or the lid is better. Because every .1 in the 60ft is close to .2 in ET. Meaning you probably would go equal or faster with the lid with the same 60ft....

WicketMike

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the only way to know if the FIPK is better then any Lid.
first is to make sure you have a MAFT and have that dialed in correctly
and they both have to be tested on the same car.
and dont forget it takes about 100 miles for the MAFT to be dialed in again

iLLuSiON

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by minty:
<strong>You actually didnt prove anything. Because the first run with the FIPK has a .2 better 60ft than the second run with the lid. Meaning that its the same thing or the lid is better. Because every .1 in the 60ft is close to .2 in ET. Meaning you probably would go equal or faster with the lid with the same 60ft....</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You are right about ET and 60 ft, but MPH is usually the measure of how much horsepower a car is making and it is independent from the 60 ft.

rick

what you should have done, is make the test with ONE car. Do a series of runs with the Whisper lid, then switch over to the FIPK and do more runs.

using different cars can throw the results off. Maybe the car or driver with the FIPK was already a tad quicker than the other. No 2 cars are alike.

FUTURESTRADER

How "DARE" you get better track results with the FIPK, don't you know that the Lid is better. <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />

Better MPH Gain of 1.88 mph
Better 60' Maybe something to do with FIPK?
Better et's .325 I LUV "HOT AIR"

Best et Lid 13.651
Best et FIPK 13.326 Lower by .325 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

10 out of 11 Dynos have posted higher HP with FIPK.

Every track time has shown lower et's with FIPK.

My FIPK's for Sale (NOT) <img border="0" alt="[Firebird]" title="" src="graemlins/formula.gif" />

<small>[ April 14, 2002, 06:23 PM: Message edited by: FUTURESTRADER ]</small>

PaiN

Just to be objective, and this is not directed at Drew at all, I'm glad he started getting some track data.

2 runs are not predictive at all.

You need multiple runs with consisistent weather, and in the same lane.

I sure wish I had a setup to test this once and for all properly...I may get some friends to help me do it.

I'll spare you my personal thoughts on the FIPK.

FUTURESTRADER

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by PaiN:
<strong>Just to be objective, and this is not directed at Drew at all, I'm glad he started getting some track data.

2 runs are not predictive at all.

You need multiple runs with consisistent weather, and in the same lane.

I sure wish I had a setup to test this once and for all properly...I may get some friends to help me do it.

I'll spare you my personal thoughts on the FIPK.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Can't I have some FUN? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

Drew778

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One more thing I was racing with my stock F1's and he was using 255/50/16 BFG drag radials.

I'll post more of my times with close to the same 60ft's as him that same night when I get home.

Maybe it was due to me changing my spark plugs (Autolites 104 gapped at .050)

35th SS

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hey Drew 778 I was just getting ready to mentioned that you have brand new plugs in there while Im still on the stock plugs@5k on the odometer.maybe we could test it again next weekend Ill have the plugs changed by then will both run on F1 tires. hows that.just trying to even the field.not trying to start a flame.I could care less which one makes more power the lid or FIPK Im still keeping my whisper lid. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

PaiN

Drew...ya'll didn't run the both intakes on the same car?

I8COBRA

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Dont have anything to compare this to because I never got a chance to run my car stock. But last Wed. I ran a 13.5 at 106 with a 2.4 60'. No one was hooking that day.

Just thought I'd throw that in there if anyone was interested. I'm more than happy with my FIPK, I noticed a SOTP improvement right away.

<small>[ April 14, 2002, 09:59 PM: Message edited by: I8COBRA ]</small>

Drew778

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No, 2 different cars one with the Lid and one with the FIPK.

Just trying to stick up for the FIPK <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

It's hard to do good runs at this track when it takes about 40 minutes to make a pass.

From what I've seen the FIPK is equaled to a lid at the track.

For the people that buy the FIPK make a couple of runs, didn't get the results they wanted and sell it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

FUTURESTRADER

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by I8COBRA:

Just thought I'd throw that in there if anyone was interested. I'm more than happy with my FIPK, I noticed a SOTP improvement right away.[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's Impossible. <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" />

How could anything that ugly possibly work? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Didn't you hear about all the "HOT AIR" that it sucks in? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

How about that One (1) dyno out of 11 dynos done where the guy actually lost HP. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

After 1 Bad dyno I put mine up "FOR SALE". <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

I don't want anyone to post any more lower et's, I won't believe it, I'm stuck in the "Stoneage", I have "Blinders" on. <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />

NASSTY

Nice MPH by the FIPK, must be all that hot air <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

All I can say is I like the track results better than dynos anyday. My FIPK on my car is doing extremely well and seems to be performing better than my lid setup, My times will come soon.

Trevor @ Texas Speed & Perf.

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So just to understand this, you ran the two setups on two different cars and didn't switch the setups from car-to-car at all? What were the raceweights? No two cars are alike, and you're going to get varying results. This didn't show any conclusive results at all to be honest. However, I see that FUTURESTRADER is still in never-never land thinking that the FIPK is good for over .3 in the 1/4. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> I recommend that you try a set of Bosch Platinum 4's. I hear they're good for .4. You must own stock in K&N. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> By the way, all of these 1/4 runs you're talking about with the FIPK are vs. the stock lid. I hope it went quicker over the stock setup!

<small>[ April 14, 2002, 10:54 PM: Message edited by: Trevor D ]</small>

FUTURESTRADER

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by NASSTY:
<strong>Nice MPH by the FIPK, must be all that hot air <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

All I can say is I like the track results better than dynos anyday. My FIPK on my car is doing extremely well and seems to be performing better than my lid setup, My times will come soon.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Can't you read. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

I said no more post on et's, only if there worse than a Lid, then I'll believe it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Put your FIPK up "FOR SALE" if it lowers your times. <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />