160 T stat......worth it???
160 T stat......worth it??? I am getting ready to do a cam swap and was thinking about putting in a 160 deg t-stat while i have the coolant drained.......do they really help that much? Or should i just look into a manual fan override setup?
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Re: 160 T stat......worth it??? it depends how good it actually works. If it keeps your car at 160', you will lose power significantly. We did this mod on a friends' lightning and he ended up losing 5-10hp across the board because your computer still thinks the car is warming up, and holds back a few degrees of timing.
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Re: 160 T stat......worth it???
it depends how good it actually works. If it keeps your car at 160', you will lose power significantly. We did this mod on a friends' lightning and he ended up losing 5-10hp across the board because your computer still thinks the car is warming up, and holds back a few degrees of timing.
In the old days we used to go as far as totaly removing stats on sbc's ( in summer or for track)
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Re: 160 T stat......worth it???
It doesn't keep ur car running at 160o, it open the valve at 160o and allows the coolant to circulate sooner and help in heat dissipation sooner.
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Re: 160 T stat......worth it??? the t-stat's only job is to keep the car from going under its rated opening temp. It does not mean that the motor is going to run at 160* or 180*. All it means is that if the temp goes below that point(160) it will close and prevent the motor from running colder. In the winter you may be able to get that low but i doubt it even with the fans running full blast and heater on. On the good side it will make the motor run a bit colder than stock depending on what you set the fan temp turn on to..
Re: 160 T stat......worth it??? It sure does give me a feeling of security when I see my car running at a lower temperature. I have the stock T-Stat with fans at a lower temp. It runs at the 1/4 mark.
Re: 160 T stat......worth it??? Yup, total misconception that the rating of a T-stat is exactly what temp your car will run.
Someone correctly pointed out that it only dictates the opening and closing.
Just for reference: My LT1 car with Hypertech 160 stat and and lower fan trigger points runs 175-185 F. My '01 SS needs the 160 stat to keep coolant at 210 !!! due to the Vortech setup.
Note: GM factory temp gauges are "ballpark figure" accurate. Put the car on Autotap or similar monitoring to get your true coolant temp. My '94 suffers no degradation in performance by being "too cold" according to doing runs with Auto X-ray monitoring.
BTW, Venkman's example is a true story (but on a F*rd product). On some vehicles it is possible to run "too" cold if your computer has a "warm-up only " mode.
Someone correctly pointed out that it only dictates the opening and closing.
Just for reference: My LT1 car with Hypertech 160 stat and and lower fan trigger points runs 175-185 F. My '01 SS needs the 160 stat to keep coolant at 210 !!! due to the Vortech setup.
Note: GM factory temp gauges are "ballpark figure" accurate. Put the car on Autotap or similar monitoring to get your true coolant temp. My '94 suffers no degradation in performance by being "too cold" according to doing runs with Auto X-ray monitoring.
BTW, Venkman's example is a true story (but on a F*rd product). On some vehicles it is possible to run "too" cold if your computer has a "warm-up only " mode.
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Re: 160 T stat......worth it??? FYI, My car, w/ a 160* t-stat, runs between 180-200* in the Texas heat, according to my after market temp guage. The stock guage always reads around 210*. My 1st fan is set to come on at 190* and the 2nd comes on at 200*.
My 1st fan is set to come on at 190* and the 2nd comes on at 200*. 
Re: 160 T stat......worth it??? BTW most stats open or close gradually like a faucet being turned on or off, there is an in between closed and wide open. A 160 stat starts opening around 160...it's closed tight at 159 then wide open at exactly 160.
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Re: 160 T stat......worth it???
My 1st fan is set to come on at 190* and the 2nd comes on at 200*.
I see this a lot. Both fans come on at the same time. In low speed mode, the fans are in series and run slower at 6 volts each. When the PCM calls for more cooling, it switches them from series to parallel, running on 12 volts each.
Re: 160 T stat......worth it??? i was told the LS1 pulls the best numbers running the temp around 180 or so. i mean i might be wrong and if i am correct me, i might have been told wrong. but i have the 180 in mine and just keep adjusting the fans until i can get it right. in traffic i run no hotter than 188
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Re: 160 T stat......worth it??? I don't believe a 160 degree thermostat is fully opened at 160 degrees. That's where it just starts to open. If it were fully opened at 160 degrees then you would see 160 degree temps in cool weather at highway speed...you don't.
Larry's hotwater tests (I've done them too) also supports this.
Somebody mentioned the LS1 making best power at 180. That is true. The test that I saw showed best power at 178...but we're talking tiny differences. There wouldn't really be much difference between 170 and 200. What's more important on the dyno are the temps (and therefore the viscosities) of the lubricating fluids from the engine all the way to the rearend.
Larry's hotwater tests (I've done them too) also supports this.
Somebody mentioned the LS1 making best power at 180. That is true. The test that I saw showed best power at 178...but we're talking tiny differences. There wouldn't really be much difference between 170 and 200. What's more important on the dyno are the temps (and therefore the viscosities) of the lubricating fluids from the engine all the way to the rearend.