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LOL, how so? Look at the graph. It doesnt start recording until 3700 rpms whats power below that? What did I say? appreciable power below 3500 rpms and you think that graph represent power below 3500 rpms? AT 4600 rpms he has 350 hp, thats when the appreciable HP starts IMO.
What ever guys.
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Last edited by 99blancoSS; Nov 27, 2008 at 06:31 PM.
Well, I chose the Torquer 3 because "Torquer" sounds pretty cool.
And an MS3 wasn't a choice listed but of course a magical camshaft would be good in any application. This is easier than I thought! 
I have a similiar cam to "El Torro" and my TC locks up at 47 MPH with 3.23's( about 1700RPM) and I honestly feel like I have as much TQ as I did with my stock cam. It drives as good as stock once warmed up when I want to putter around (and sound badaaazzz) and will absolutely scream above 3.5k. I believe the right combo of duration/lobe design/LSA and advance can give you lots of power up top with little or no loss on the bottom.
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Last edited by SOMbitch; Nov 27, 2008 at 11:32 PM.
why the crap is choosing a camshaft so dang hard lol. Thats what i plan on doing this winter / spring as soon as i can make up my mind and get the funds together. This "El Torro" cam, is that just a made up name for it by pred-z ?
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LOL, how so? Look at the graph. It doesnt start recording until 3700 rpms whats power below that? What did I say? appreciable power below 3500 rpms and you think that graph represent power below 3500 rpms? AT 4600 rpms he has 350 hp, thats when the appreciable HP starts IMO.
What ever guys.
I offered solid advice.
What ever guys.
I offered solid advice.
Man, I give names to my grinds after 3 have been done and running, I think I'm gonna call the next one "Thomas", in your honour.
Here is another 230 cam for ya, cam only + bolt ons, is that enough undercurve you think?
We spoke about undercurve in the 224 thread, now this a 230 size, still not enough?
BTW, undercurve, you look at (mostly) Trq, not Hp , that is what is going to move ya (acceleration)
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d150/VIPRETR/RWHP.jpg
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Man, I give names to my grinds after 3 have been done and running, I think I'm gonna call the next one "Thomas", in your honour.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d150/VIPRETR/RWHP.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d150/VIPRETR/RWHP.jpg
Man, I give names to my grinds after 3 have been done and running, I think I'm gonna call the next one "Thomas", in your honour.
Here is another 230 cam for ya, cam only + bolt ons, is that enough undercurve you think?
We spoke about undercurve in the 224 thread, now this a 230 size, still not enough?
BTW, undercurve, you look at (mostly) Trq, not Hp , that is what is going to move ya (acceleration)
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d150/VIPRETR/RWHP.jpg
Here is another 230 cam for ya, cam only + bolt ons, is that enough undercurve you think?
We spoke about undercurve in the 224 thread, now this a 230 size, still not enough?
BTW, undercurve, you look at (mostly) Trq, not Hp , that is what is going to move ya (acceleration)
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d150/VIPRETR/RWHP.jpg
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That way you increase flow but still keep bottom trq. 90/90 last IMO.
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Verdad Gallardo Well I just ordered my UMI LCA's, PHB, and CE drag shocks. So I guess next up will be a torque arm and then the El Torro along with some Livernois stage II's or PRC stage 2.5 5.3 heads. Should I even bother with a ported t.b. or just save my money for the fast?
yeah i am on stock heads with this cam and it drive greats on the street no bucking or surging...only time it has ever surged is on a cold start up and i through it into gear right away before the computer finds its idle...I have never have a problem starting it and having it die and having to start again...it is a great street/track cam...hope this helps
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Because the X1 has more PTVC than "El Torro" on intake. The stage 2 Livernois will have stock clearances. The stage 3 will clear as well, about .07 clearance (more pricey though)
yeah i am on stock heads with this cam and it drive greats on the street no bucking or surging...only time it has ever surged is on a cold start up and i through it into gear right away before the computer finds its idle...I have never have a problem starting it and having it die and having to start again...it is a great street/track cam...hope this helps
Personally I don't like any of them. Unless you are planning on adding heads you're pushing the valves way past where stock heads peak in flow, you'd be better served with something that keeps the lift under 600 for something that is gonna see street duty, and if you want something on the big side (I assume this being that you have picked alot of big cams) I'd look for something like a 238/242 duration range with the lift in the high 590's. It will be alot less stressful on valvetrain parts, and will make good power.
Cut that on an xer lobe with a 110+3 lsa and the power won't require you to spin the stock motor, and more importantly the 4ljunkie tranny too high, keeping rpm related problems to a minimum. Gonna take a good tuner to get it to run right, probably require speed density.
Cut that on an xer lobe with a 110+3 lsa and the power won't require you to spin the stock motor, and more importantly the 4ljunkie tranny too high, keeping rpm related problems to a minimum. Gonna take a good tuner to get it to run right, probably require speed density.
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The XFI variance rate is softer than XE-R.
Going with a bit higher lift past head flow acts like a crutch, combine that with the right valve events and you squeeze a few more ponies for the duration size.
The trick is to balance it all.
Take a look at the other lifts on the lobes, you'll understand what I mean when you see the VEs.
Going with a bit higher lift past head flow acts like a crutch, combine that with the right valve events and you squeeze a few more ponies for the duration size.
The trick is to balance it all.
Take a look at the other lifts on the lobes, you'll understand what I mean when you see the VEs.
Personally, I'd take an xer lobe only because it is a decent balance.
If it was my car, I'd take an lsk lobe, and just cut the max lift of it down, hold the valve at the max flow point for as long as possible and close things up as late as you can... keeping with my lift outlook, but utilizing the faster ramp rates. Similar to the way that old school super stock guys would take a "stock" cam, and regrind it to a small er base circle and get a TON more duration out of it and alot steeper lift/close rates.
If it was my car, I'd take an lsk lobe, and just cut the max lift of it down, hold the valve at the max flow point for as long as possible and close things up as late as you can... keeping with my lift outlook, but utilizing the faster ramp rates. Similar to the way that old school super stock guys would take a "stock" cam, and regrind it to a small er base circle and get a TON more duration out of it and alot steeper lift/close rates.