Patrick G

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Please take these personal posts to PM and do not mess up what is an otherwise technical thread.

PREDATOR-Z

Old SStroker

Say what???

As I was tactfully replying to some direct questions from a recent post, that post up and disappeared! Must be Microsoft server software in use here.


As the man said, use the PM function.


Jon

mtank

what's ya'lls opion on the patriot stage 2 ls6 head. how do they flow & rate compared to the afr's & trick flow's. they're $1295 w/ t.retainers for the pair.

PREDATOR-Z

apple and oranges

Johny GTO

I am going to throw my opinion out there, welcome or otherwise. I dont know any of you (ROn, SSstroker, etc).
However, i would rather have people like Strokerace around then to see them banned. I like the fact that there are people around who are knowledgable to question Sponsors and to keep them in check, otherwise you wind up with a place where paying sponsors can fling around any bullshit they want and claim it as fact to drum up business. That is especially likely in a place that has a "protect the sponsors at all costs" policy like this place. TO me, that is down right shady, and the best example is what goes on with shitty tunes that shops put out. If someone posts up an example of the shitty tune they receive from a sponsor shop, the likely result is the thread is deleted and the member banned. That is a disgrace and unethical in my opinion.

With that being said, was StrokerAce jumping on a chance to give you crap over your "27rwhp across the board" statement?? Perhaps. You may have meant to say "27rwhp at peak" or maybe "27rwtrq across the board", either of which would have made more sense or been more reasonable. Like StrokerAce said, a claim of "27rwhp across the board" works out to mean that you picked up something like 70lbs of torque at 3k rpms, which would be silly.
StrokerAce may have been checking you (Ron) on what he felt were B.S. claims, or he may have been jumping on the chance to call "BS" on you when it was really just a brain fart. I dont know. However, i would rather have someone serve this function then not.

But i must admit, the "you should tighten an oil pump bolt" or whatever reply is pretty F-ed up. I recall reading that article, i think it was Engine Master's, where that happened to the Bauers. To throw a something like that in their face, which could have been a simple mistake or a part failure for all we know (stripped nut?) is kinda lame. I am sure there are plenty of F-ups done by Vengeance racing that could be throw in your face , in fact i recall a recent tune job done that was a disaster that a member posted.
Fact is, mistakes happen. What matters, in my opinion, is whether something is a mistake or not giving a **** about quality of work and putting the dollar first before quality.


**edit**
i just re-read what i wrote and thought i needed to add something, because it sounds as though i am siding with Stroker to a degree. I am not claiming Ron is one of those sponsors who is fling BS around, i was merely saying what could happen if all opposition is silenced. I have no experience withVengeance or ROn, but many have and many seem very happy with the work done. Both Ron and StrokerAce may be great, truthful, honest guys who take pride in their work. Sadly, it is just a reality that not all people see eye to eye, especially over the net. The same guy you may sit down with and have a few laughs with over a beer in real life is the same guy you want to murder over the net. Its just the nature of the net.

mtank

so apple or oranges. so you're saying patriot's are not in the same ballpark & put the extra cash into afr's or trickflows

PREDATOR-Z

I answered your PM

willyfastz

You've got it, spend your money once.

Johny GTO

personally, unless you are hoping to get every Horsey-powah out of your ride, and spend as much as needs be to get there, i would keep my 243 stock heads and have them ported + polished by a reputable porter, EDC comes to mind. I dont know many porters, hence i suggest him, or BRE racing. Advanced Inductions also comes to mind, or Tony Mamo (if he does 243's). 243's perform like monsters when ported properly.

if you are willing to spend the big dough on heads, i would go FI. may be a lil more money, but your performance bar is lifted sooo much higher.

AINT SKEERED

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I think SstrokerAce was banned for bullshit reasons and I will never buy from the sponsors who got him banned for questioning them.

On topic though, I would like to try the trickflows on my Avalanch along with a nice small cam to make it tow a little better. Should be a good upgrade for the small engine guy's.

Damian

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Ron, is that 4.8L Charlie's truck?

Steve1969LS1

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We just built a nice 5.3L engine using these 205 Trick Flow heads for a magazine project car.

Pretty impressed with the numbers. What we had:

TF 205 CNC heads
5.3L alum block
Stock 5.3 rods
Stock 5.3 crank
Stock 4.8L pistons (flat top)
LS2 intake (LS2 injectors)
Turn Key 90mm TB
TF 220/224 112LSA cam
stock lifters
Harland Sharp rockers

On the Superflow 901 dyno it made 491 hp at 6300 rpm and 444 tq at 4700 rpm. Those are corrected SAP numbers.

19 inches of vacuum at idle. I will get a dyno chart up in the next couple of days.

AINT SKEERED

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thats nice numbers out of a 5.3, expecially with a ls2 intake.

LilJayV10

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Hell, there are a lot of 5.7's that don't make that much power.

Johny GTO

Very nice indeed. For a 5.3, that cam is about what would you say... a medium sized cam? Does it behave like a stock cam (lope, idle, low rpm drivability, etc)?? It seems like a good sized cam for that motor on the street, but i am no cam expert by any means.
Yes indeed. i bet it would easily break 500hp with a Fast manifold installed. Probably end up around 510hp.

Very true. When i first read it, i did a double take. I was like "No F-ing way a 5.3 laid down almost 500rwhp without forced induction".
Then i realized it wasnt RWHP, but hp measured on an engine dyno. Still very impressive, none the less.

TrickFlowTech

Great numbers!!!!

J-Rod

Wow, I missed this post until it was flagged by a user and sent to me to moderate based on the fact that "This thread is destroyed by nastiness??"

How about everyone not dirty up the TFS thread.

But, here is an offer... Ed, Ghost Predator, Old SStroker etc.... Y'all know that the board does not have the same administrative staff that it once had. So, here is an offer. If anyone is interested I will start a new discussion thread in Advanced Tech, and we can all sit around and discuss why we feel X or Y is important.

Any interest???

need4z

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Anyone put these on a LS1, LS6 yet???

dug

iTrader: (10)

that is a cool build. Was there any issues running the 4.8 pistons? I am thinking of swapping the crank and rods in my 4.8L