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08-30-2009, 11:59 PM
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Yet another Cam question Ok bare with me....I AM A NUB!!!! Driving a 2000 Camaro Z28 M6 Stock
My aim for the build is something that will make good power on the street throughout all RPMs HOPEFULLY and maybe once every blue moon take to the track. Not a DD only driven about 10 days a month. Im gonna go with GMMG full exhaust....and Im trying to decide between the MS4, The T-Rex, and the Polluter.I want something that is loud and sounds good but NOT OBNOXIOUSLY loud. Im leaning towards Heads and Headers next but I gotta find a GOOD/GREAT cam 1st. Ive been living on this website for a while now but I still cant make up my mind.....someone PLEASE HELP.....an suggestions and why?
Thanks for the help in advance guys!!!!
My aim for the build is something that will make good power on the street throughout all RPMs HOPEFULLY and maybe once every blue moon take to the track. Not a DD only driven about 10 days a month. Im gonna go with GMMG full exhaust....and Im trying to decide between the MS4, The T-Rex, and the Polluter.I want something that is loud and sounds good but NOT OBNOXIOUSLY loud. Im leaning towards Heads and Headers next but I gotta find a GOOD/GREAT cam 1st. Ive been living on this website for a while now but I still cant make up my mind.....someone PLEASE HELP.....an suggestions and why?
Thanks for the help in advance guys!!!!
08-31-2009, 02:25 AM
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To be honest.......IGNORANCE.......read a lot about them......read what a lot of people were saying about them and their overall happiness level....but.....lack of knowledge to be 100% honest......what kinda power curve do you think I can expect with a cam that big?
08-31-2009, 03:20 AM
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A pretty steep one. Do some searching on here and I think you'll find what you are looking for. If you still want a bigger cam and decent power throughout the RPM range, I would suggest not going much bigger than a Torquer 2 or F13. If you truly want power throughout the RPM range, I would go with a TR224 or something in that ballpark.
08-31-2009, 03:23 AM
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A 230/232 .600 112lsa sounds like something you would like and are looking for.
Exhaust is done before a cam.
Biggest is not always best/fastest/quickest.. View my revious started threads at "Lemons12 VS Lt1 z28".. My baby 226 cam to his ms4 cam..
Exhaust is done before a cam.
Biggest is not always best/fastest/quickest.. View my revious started threads at "Lemons12 VS Lt1 z28".. My baby 226 cam to his ms4 cam..
08-31-2009, 03:24 AM
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I found a graph on here awhile ago comparing a MS3 vs stock cam.
The stock cam made a LOT more torque down low until about 4k rpms and then they were even until 4200rpms and the MS3 took off...
I think I'm going with a 228/232 cam...
The stock cam made a LOT more torque down low until about 4k rpms and then they were even until 4200rpms and the MS3 took off...
I think I'm going with a 228/232 cam...
08-31-2009, 04:13 AM
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Ok speaking hypothetically....lets say I did go with the T-Rex are you saying with a cam that size Im not gonna really notice it until around the 4k mark like on the MS3 or worse?
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08-31-2009, 04:22 AM
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Cam You'll actually loose power down low but like the others say, over 4k the larger cam will take over.
Do the Exh. first then go with a TR224 or a 224/228
Many people start with the Big cams then they usually go for something smaller for street use. Try it ?
Do the Exh. first then go with a TR224 or a 224/228
Many people start with the Big cams then they usually go for something smaller for street use. Try it ?
08-31-2009, 05:28 AM
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Big cams require supporting mods to perform. What you would need with the ones you mentionned:
1- LS6 intake (minimum)
2- Better clutch
3- Higher gear ratio (4.10+)
4- Headers, ory, catback or duals
Those are the minimum necessary mods. Now how are you going to be driving on a regular basis? 90% street? then those cams are too big.
You want lope? then you need overlap. Sweet spot for overlap on street is 8>9* overlap
How far do you want to shift? 6500 or less? Those cams are too big.
Most important is, how big is your budget? determine that and work out a plan accordingly.
Anyway you look at it you need at least $3000 to have a decent power producing combo.
Exhaust-intake-cam-Tune (assuming you do all the install yourself.)
Big cams require supporting mods to perform. What you would need with the ones you mentionned:
1- LS6 intake (minimum)
2- Better clutch
3- Higher gear ratio (4.10+)
4- Headers, ory, catback or duals
Those are the minimum necessary mods. Now how are you going to be driving on a regular basis? 90% street? then those cams are too big.
You want lope? then you need overlap. Sweet spot for overlap on street is 8>9* overlap
How far do you want to shift? 6500 or less? Those cams are too big.
Most important is, how big is your budget? determine that and work out a plan accordingly.
Anyway you look at it you need at least $3000 to have a decent power producing combo.
Exhaust-intake-cam-Tune (assuming you do all the install yourself.)
08-31-2009, 06:51 AM
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My cam in sig made 300lbs torque to the wheels at 3300 rpm.. Peaked at 5000 and made peak horsepower at 6350.. Something slightly smaller would be perfect.. Like a 226 232 on a 112 or 114
08-31-2009, 11:36 AM
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Read around.
Big cams require supporting mods to perform. What you would need with the ones you mentionned:
1- LS6 intake (minimum)
2- Better clutch
3- Higher gear ratio (4.10+)
4- Headers, ory, catback or duals
Those are the minimum necessary mods. Now how are you going to be driving on a regular basis? 90% street? then those cams are too big.
You want lope? then you need overlap. Sweet spot for overlap on street is 8>9* overlap
How far do you want to shift? 6500 or less? Those cams are too big.
Most important is, how big is your budget? determine that and work out a plan accordingly.
Anyway you look at it you need at least $3000 to have a decent power producing combo.
Exhaust-intake-cam-Tune (assuming you do all the install yourself.)
Big cams require supporting mods to perform. What you would need with the ones you mentionned:
1- LS6 intake (minimum)
2- Better clutch
3- Higher gear ratio (4.10+)
4- Headers, ory, catback or duals
Those are the minimum necessary mods. Now how are you going to be driving on a regular basis? 90% street? then those cams are too big.
You want lope? then you need overlap. Sweet spot for overlap on street is 8>9* overlap
How far do you want to shift? 6500 or less? Those cams are too big.
Most important is, how big is your budget? determine that and work out a plan accordingly.
Anyway you look at it you need at least $3000 to have a decent power producing combo.
Exhaust-intake-cam-Tune (assuming you do all the install yourself.)
if youre bone stock, you have a lot of stuff to do before you even think about a cam.
Lid, ls6 intake (FAST if you can afford it), headers, the rest of the exhaust (Y pipe to a catback or true duals). and you need mroe than just a cam. you need springs, oil pumps, pushrods, and theres alot more stuff that would be a good idea to add. also, you might wanna start preepping for the cam (i.e. injectors, clutch, fuel pump etc.) and youll need a tune no matter what.
you power curve would suck with anyone of the cams you suggested. you want to be able to drive it aroundwith power all over the band, well you need something smaller than those. high 220's/mid 230's will suite your driving habits/wants pretty well. go spend a very long time looking through as many dyno sheets in the "Dyno results and comparisons" forum here, just a few down. look at as many different types of cams as you can until your head explodes. that will give you a foundation on where the power will be. look at differences between something like a 224 cam, 228, low 230s and then a big **** like an MS4, trex, polluter, vindicator, etc. all their power is up top. do your homework first, buy all the supporting mods you will need and then come back to getting a cam. you can never spend too much time researching...
08-31-2009, 11:41 AM
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there i edited my sig to answer 75% of questions that will be asked in this section. 
im going to start to make it into a giant poster for answering these that will cover jsut about anything so then all i have to write is :
"see sig"
edit: okay, now that should get even more questions answered lol
im going to start to make it into a giant poster for answering these that will cover jsut about anything so then all i have to write is :"see sig"
edit: okay, now that should get even more questions answered lol
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08-31-2009, 11:54 AM
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^lol agreed, Just get a custom grind! your going to get 100 different opinions on what is drivable. Lemons12 gave some good advice, so did predatorz. I would suggest something like a 224 228 around .580 lift but put it on a 110. This will require a little more idle tuning, but will bring power in faster and peak a little quicker.
08-31-2009, 12:59 PM
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A pretty steep one. Do some searching on here and I think you'll find what you are looking for. If you still want a bigger cam and decent power throughout the RPM range, I would suggest not going much bigger than a Torquer 2 or F13. If you truly want power throughout the RPM range, I would go with a TR224 or something in that ballpark.
09-01-2009, 12:32 AM
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Well guys after reading A LOT and taking time to think about what it is Im actually trying to do.......I have decided to hold off on the cam and start off with exhaust, heads, long tubes,and clutch.....then after that I believe I am gonna go with a SMALLER CAM than the T-Rex because it will give me what Im looking for......thanks for all the input!!!!
09-01-2009, 12:54 AM
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Well guys after reading A LOT and taking time to think about what it is Im actually trying to do.......I have decided to hold off on the cam and start off with exhaust, heads, long tubes,and clutch.....then after that I believe I am gonna go with a SMALLER CAM than the T-Rex because it will give me what Im looking for......thanks for all the input!!!