So tell us what cam are you thinking about? 
do heads without cam?
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do heads without cam? im still debating doing a cam but i was thinking about doin some patriot stage 2 heads. i want to hit 400 rwhp and i will have every bolt on from the EWP, entire intake and exhaust with a cut out too. figure heads might beable to get me there....maybe.....thinking the 5.3L heads or the LS6 heads. any opinions? could i get to 400? i mean i wanna do a cam in the future just not yet...
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honestly i dont knwo what kinda cam i want, dont know much about them. but from what i read i want to get something along the lines of a 224 with about .580 lift or so, but hell i really dont know what would be good but i dont wanna go too extreme. would i benefit from getting better flowing heads. i dont know how long it will be before i get a cam really. im really wanting to hit the 400 RWHP mark. can i just do heads? leaving the cam out of it for now, i want opinions on both and then ill go from there, so what heads to get without a cam and what heads to get with a cam around those specs
with stock gears and all the bolt ons you can get right at 400 on stock heads and a 224 cam with a 112lsa. and save the 2k+ for a rear and gears which for now is worth much more imo. especially with a 400hp m6. and gears are worth more in the quarter than heads.
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ported heads and a stock cam are a waste. your better off with bolt ons, new cam, and stock heads. whats the point of ported ls6 heads that flow 300cfm@600 with a stock cam that'll still peaks at about 5500 rpm or so. a cam swap is very easy, and you can experiment with different ones quite simply before looking into heads.
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Brett Foote Thread Starter
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i mean i didnt plan on just heads, i was gonna wait until i could learn some more and do my own cam, no way did i wanna just do heads and no cam, thats kinda foolish...sorry if i explained it like i wanted to do that lol
Originally Posted by WS6FirebirdTA00
so what kinda duration do i wanna run. i guess i might look into doin a cam and upgrading the valve train and doing clutch and rear too as an optin
you deffinatly need a good clutch. im upgrading to a spec 3 eventually.
like i said, nothing less than the 224. thats .563/.563 personally if you dont drive it 24/7 go with the 230/224. still daily driveable but might get somewhat anoying all day in town. i really wouldnt mind it.
Originally Posted by SMOKIN01TA
and you definatly need a new intake manifold. i would start saving for the fast intake. you will see big gains over that ls1 like 15-20 on stock motor
as far as cam for a daily driver i'd stick with 224 on the 112. if you want more lift go with the comp grind that has .581 lift over the thunders .563.
Originally Posted by jrp
the lsx intake isnt even out yet, wait for a variety of dyno's on different setups to see the actual gains.
as far as cam for a daily driver i'd stick with 224 on the 112. if you want more lift go with the comp grind that has .581 lift over the thunders .563.
as far as cam for a daily driver i'd stick with 224 on the 112. if you want more lift go with the comp grind that has .581 lift over the thunders .563.
Originally Posted by SMOKIN01TA
it will be out in 6 weeks. thats why i said start saving.
Originally Posted by jrp
it'll be interested to see the results, again, on a variety of setups. not just a stroked/cam'd car thats already pushing the limits of the current ls6 intake but just a lightly bolted on car.
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Sure, you can do the heads but don't expect the world. You'll only really be able to use them to their potential after a cam swap, of course. This is not normal practice, however, because an aftermarket cam will net the highest gains just by leaving the stock heads on.