Trick flow , MS4 and Fast 102 combo
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Trick flow , MS4 and Fast 102 combo
Hi guys ,,, My buddy paid for me and now i'm preparing a combo for his 99 M6 Trans Am , All parts ordered from Bryan @ SpeedINC
- Trick flow 215 heads milled to 59cc with yella tera rockers and 7.500 pushrods
- Diamond 3.905 pistons and Total seal rings
- Compstar 6.125 rods , ARP 2000
- Cam , rods and main bearings
- ARP heads and main studs
- SLP powerflow catback
- Kooks offrode Y-pipe
- Bosch 36lbs injectors
- Fast 102mm , 102mm T/B and fast fuel rails
- Meilling oil pump
- Msd timing twister
- Nitrous Outlet plate wet kit custom upgraded 100-400HP 15lbs bottle
- AEM A/F and Cobalt fuel pressure gauges
- Suspension
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parts we have and also ordered previously from SpeedINC
- MS4 112 , patriot 660 springs
- Spec Stage +3 clutch
- yella tera aluminium flywheel
- SLP underdrive pulley
- SLP timing chain
- 3.7 Gears
- SLP blestin shocks and eabich lowering springs
- hokker 3/4 headers
we will spray at least 250HP , my qustions is :
1- what are the Dyno #'s the car will pull N/A and with Spray ?
2- are there any thing need to be added and missed ?
3- thank u
the parts will be shipped at end of this week and cost my buddy above $10.000
- Trick flow 215 heads milled to 59cc with yella tera rockers and 7.500 pushrods
- Diamond 3.905 pistons and Total seal rings
- Compstar 6.125 rods , ARP 2000
- Cam , rods and main bearings
- ARP heads and main studs
- SLP powerflow catback
- Kooks offrode Y-pipe
- Bosch 36lbs injectors
- Fast 102mm , 102mm T/B and fast fuel rails
- Meilling oil pump
- Msd timing twister
- Nitrous Outlet plate wet kit custom upgraded 100-400HP 15lbs bottle
- AEM A/F and Cobalt fuel pressure gauges
- Suspension
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parts we have and also ordered previously from SpeedINC
- MS4 112 , patriot 660 springs
- Spec Stage +3 clutch
- yella tera aluminium flywheel
- SLP underdrive pulley
- SLP timing chain
- 3.7 Gears
- SLP blestin shocks and eabich lowering springs
- hokker 3/4 headers
we will spray at least 250HP , my qustions is :
1- what are the Dyno #'s the car will pull N/A and with Spray ?
2- are there any thing need to be added and missed ?
3- thank u
the parts will be shipped at end of this week and cost my buddy above $10.000
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its hard to answere your question as to how much power the motor will make without cam specs. the cam is the heart of the motor and decides everything really...throw out some cam specs and you should be able to get a hp estamate, and yea that 102 im guessing is overkill, however there was a show i went to yesterday and a guy from fast told me that the 102 has interchangable intake runners now so you could make it act like a 92 or 90 so to speak, you might wanna do some research on that though, the guy kinda lost me about 15 seconds into his 10 minute explanation.
just my common sense brings me to question weather a 102 is actually a better way to go if there is different intake runners to choose from and they are interchangable...what im getting at is, you can put some small volume runners in, then if you machine your block down the line you can just change the runners out vs. with a 90 or 92 your kinda stuck with what you got. Definitally get a more educated answere though before you buy anything.
you have nice heads picked out, you will have to run the right pistons though or you wont be able to fit much over a 228 cam. with flat top pistons and a 228 cam that car should run 450ish whp, and i wouldnt be supprised if you could squeeze more, if you get some pistons with valve reliefs that let you throw like a ms3 in that car you could probable make up to 500whp. Add a 250 shot and that should put you anywhere from 700whp to 775whp, again this will depend largely on the pistons you choose(effect compression and the cam that will fit) and the cam itself.
just my common sense brings me to question weather a 102 is actually a better way to go if there is different intake runners to choose from and they are interchangable...what im getting at is, you can put some small volume runners in, then if you machine your block down the line you can just change the runners out vs. with a 90 or 92 your kinda stuck with what you got. Definitally get a more educated answere though before you buy anything.
you have nice heads picked out, you will have to run the right pistons though or you wont be able to fit much over a 228 cam. with flat top pistons and a 228 cam that car should run 450ish whp, and i wouldnt be supprised if you could squeeze more, if you get some pistons with valve reliefs that let you throw like a ms3 in that car you could probable make up to 500whp. Add a 250 shot and that should put you anywhere from 700whp to 775whp, again this will depend largely on the pistons you choose(effect compression and the cam that will fit) and the cam itself.
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the cam specs is Magic Stick V.4 239/242, .649"/.609 112LSA BTW I ordered the 102mm and i can't change it with any other intakes .
hey guys how to use the MSD timing twister ?
hey guys how to use the MSD timing twister ?
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not engine alone , suspension and some gauges etc .... I prepared it for street racing to beat some bikes
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how do you know the pushrod length already...I would put it together and get the pushrods last...also didn't see anything about lifters...
also what size head gasket...
also look up frost he can modify your computer to accept two tunes...no timing twister needed
also what size head gasket...
also look up frost he can modify your computer to accept two tunes...no timing twister needed
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Sounds like its gonna be a nasty setup on motor. My only comment would be about the amount of nitrous you plan to run. 200 is about the safe limit to spray with a nozzle(s)/plate setup without doing a direct port. Also the MS4 isn't the best cam to use if you plan on spraying are large hit. That cam has 16.5º of overlap which means you going to be bleeding some unused nitrous out of the exhaust valve. But on motor I would say you'd be around the 480rwhp. Good Luck with the build
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I'm a little bit confused on this post. The MS4 camshaft (magic stick 4) is a Texas Speed camshaft. MS4 camshafts can only be purchased through Texas Speed.
Did you mean you purchased the MS4 from Texas Speed??
Did you mean you purchased the MS4 from Texas Speed??
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Sounds like its gonna be a nasty setup on motor. My only comment would be about the amount of nitrous you plan to run. 200 is about the safe limit to spray with a nozzle(s)/plate setup without doing a direct port. Also the MS4 isn't the best cam to use if you plan on spraying are large hit. That cam has 16.5º of overlap which means you going to be bleeding some unused nitrous out of the exhaust valve. But on motor I would say you'd be around the 480rwhp. Good Luck with the build
we will tune the car with 250 Shoot , we tried here the MS4 with nitrous and with big shoot it responde as well ,thanks for the input
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My guess is approx 475+ rwhp with a good tune..
If it were me i would only spray 150 max but you should see approx 700 hp on the smack!!I also agree with a previous poster, hope you got a rear, or only plan to roll race..
If it were me i would only spray 150 max but you should see approx 700 hp on the smack!!I also agree with a previous poster, hope you got a rear, or only plan to roll race..
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994rwhp/902lb ft @ 22 psi (mustang dyno) www.Texas-Speed.com