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Well got the dyno numbers. Im a little dissapointed it wasnt more but with the great drivability and it didnt need much in tuning it is a nice cam. If i had a set of heads im sure it would be at 400 rwhp. I was at 361 RWHP and 351 RWTQ. Note that i only gained 1 hp peak but my torque curve stayed virtually the same from 2600 up where my HP increase was noticed from 4500 up.
The stock cam fell flat at about 5300 where the Cheater V3 was still building power to 6800. Between 5400 and 6800 i was peaking and making 30 HP more then stock.
The stock cam fell flat at about 5300 where the Cheater V3 was still building power to 6800. Between 5400 and 6800 i was peaking and making 30 HP more then stock.
If your new cam continued to pull past the stocker from 5300 to 6800, and the torque curve never fell off, then it sounds like your dyno results are skewed. I agree with the others here - don't get to hung on the number, see what the track says before you make more changes.
Those numbers are solid out of a GTO especially with the K&N CAI. I would expect to see close to 390-400 with a FAST and an AEM Brute Force intake... We just finished a 5.3L 08 Silverado Z71 CC. With the CheaTR V3 and Thorley shorties through stock cats and an unlocked PTC 3000 converter, we saw 339RWHP... The GTO's are really held back by the elbow in the intake tube.
Great results!
Thanks for keeping the thread updated.
Shane
Great results!
Thanks for keeping the thread updated.Shane
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Verdad Gallardo Those numbers are solid out of a GTO especially with the K&N CAI. I would expect to see close to 390-400 with a FAST and an AEM Brute Force intake... We just finished a 5.3L 08 Silverado Z71 CC. With the CheaTR V3 and Thorley shorties through stock cats and an unlocked PTC 3000 converter, we saw 339RWHP... The GTO's are really held back by the elbow in the intake tube.
Great results! Thanks for keeping the thread updated.
Shane
Great results!
Thanks for keeping the thread updated.Shane
So do you guys really think the K&N CAI is hurting my power? I mean if theres 10 more HP out there by switching to a different brand i will, but if its like 1 or 2 hp then its not worth the 300 dollars.
Well got to the track last night. It was kind of windy about 15 to 20 mph and of course it was a head wind. But i had a best of 13.5 at 107.32. Keep in mind it was my first time at a track and it was a grudge night so the track was not prepped to its potential.
Also i know i was running well becuase all the cars out there were running about the same times i was. I raced a 2008 Mustang GT with the Roush supercharger. He had a 2.0 60 ft compared to my 2.2 but i still came back and pulled him. I beat him 13.5 to 13.6. I was at 107 and he was at 102.
Also there was a new Challenger Hemi out there with full Hotchkins suspension, bolt ons, and Drag Radials, and he had a best of 13.6.
Were at 4700 ft as well if that makes a big difference or not.
Also i know i was running well becuase all the cars out there were running about the same times i was. I raced a 2008 Mustang GT with the Roush supercharger. He had a 2.0 60 ft compared to my 2.2 but i still came back and pulled him. I beat him 13.5 to 13.6. I was at 107 and he was at 102.
Also there was a new Challenger Hemi out there with full Hotchkins suspension, bolt ons, and Drag Radials, and he had a best of 13.6.
Were at 4700 ft as well if that makes a big difference or not.
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Uh, yeah ... given the weather stats I could find, if it was about 60*F out, your DA was 6000ft. At my location in my car, I find every 1000ft of DA is equals 1.5 sec in et and about 1 mph. I used an online calculator that came up with 12.47 @116 corrected to sea level. That calculated trap speed might be excessive, but no question your numbers would otherwise be deep in the 12's and 11x mph.
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I think the point of this cam was missed in this thread. This is a blower cam. It was designed to be used with stock exhaust ect, however with forced induction, it really doesn't matter. That's why with the TR224 and higher cams are making more power...n/a v. boost cam. This cam being 219/230 is meant to increase exhaust while decreasing intake to help spool up a S/C or Turbo(s). I myself am about to purchase this cam, but I'm going to boost the car. If I was going to keep the car n/a, I would most definately choose a different cam. I'm glad you saw some good gains, because the car won't see any boost for minute...need funds. It sounds like the car will still make decent power until then.
I think the point of this cam was missed in this thread. This is a blower cam. It was designed to be used with stock exhaust ect, however with forced induction, it really doesn't matter. That's why with the TR224 and higher cams are making more power...n/a v. boost cam. This cam being 219/230 is meant to increase exhaust while decreasing intake to help spool up a S/C or Turbo(s). I myself am about to purchase this cam, but I'm going to boost the car. If I was going to keep the car n/a, I would most definately choose a different cam. I'm glad you saw some good gains, because the car won't see any boost for minute...need funds. It sounds like the car will still make decent power until then.
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I am looking at this cam for my CTS-V. I will be running it with the stock manifolds which are less restrictive than the fbody manifolds and RT cats which are good for 10-15 hp. I want it sound like a cb/I car only when I pound the local m3 and rs4/s4 crowd. I am definately interested in seeing your results.
When I emailed Patrick about my cam I was under the impression that the TR224 would pass smog easily if it was tuned right. He said it was too beefy to pass smog and recommended his 222/222 with EPS lobes. He said I would gain 20-25 rwhp over the ls6 cam. Honestly, 20-25 rwhp is not even worth the trouble to me I would rather squeeze. Well I'm gonna squeeze anyway but that's beside the point. What can I honestly expect with a smog legal cam on an otherwise stock ls6?
Even if you go with the Cheater V3 cam as i did you will need a tune. My car was running very lean after the cam install. So dont blow your car up and get a tune whatever you decide.
Also smog wise, i had to get my car tested this month and it passed easily.
I think im going to be swapping to a FAST intake with the Vararam CAI as well.
Also smog wise, i had to get my car tested this month and it passed easily.
I think im going to be swapping to a FAST intake with the Vararam CAI as well.
I was hoping for a little more as well. But each car and engine is a little different. Another Ls1 gto could gain 50 hp from it. Depends on set up. Also the only thing i have on the intake side is a K&N CAI. Its still the stock TB and LS6 intake. I think with an aftermarket intake and tb it will be 375 380 hp.