M6 car with MS3 cam...lacking power?
08-30-2010, 04:20 PM
#44
Are you even sure it has that cam in it? The seller wouldn't be the first seller to lie about a car to make a sale.
Again, stop using your butt-o-meter as a judge of power.
08-30-2010, 04:34 PM
#46
So I'm wrong in assuming that this car should be able to spin the tires? Or that the video I posted was sluggish? I feel like how fast the speedometer climbs is a pretty good judge. My previous f-body was a nitrous auto car so yes I can't really compare but even without the spray that car felt like it pulled better than my current one and all it had were LT headers. I'm not 100% sure but it certainly has the lope of something in the range of an MS3 and he included the cam card with the car so I think it's safe to say that it's an MS3.
Track session should be coming on Saturday.
Track session should be coming on Saturday.
08-30-2010, 05:40 PM
#48
Like what was stated earlier, a big cam, with a stock rear gear translates into a very very sluggish car until you hit 4000+ rpm. I'd guess that if you were to dyno, you'd probably put down 380-390 hp and 350-360 torque, but your torque peak wouldn't be until 4600-4900 rpm.
Comparing a stick to an auto is apples vs. carrotts. I've got full heads, cam, headers, 3.73s, etc etc and put down easily over 475 rwhp and if I roll into second gear I can get traction through second, into third and into fourth. Does that mean that my car is slow, or underpowered? No, it just means I have a linear torque curve that isn't exceeding the friction coefficient of the tire to the road. What breaks tires lose typically is shocking the drivetrain with either too much torque or a sudden change in torque.
Comparing a stick to an auto is apples vs. carrotts. I've got full heads, cam, headers, 3.73s, etc etc and put down easily over 475 rwhp and if I roll into second gear I can get traction through second, into third and into fourth. Does that mean that my car is slow, or underpowered? No, it just means I have a linear torque curve that isn't exceeding the friction coefficient of the tire to the road. What breaks tires lose typically is shocking the drivetrain with either too much torque or a sudden change in torque.
08-30-2010, 06:33 PM
#49
Like what was stated earlier, a big cam, with a stock rear gear translates into a very very sluggish car until you hit 4000+ rpm. I'd guess that if you were to dyno, you'd probably put down 380-390 hp and 350-360 torque, but your torque peak wouldn't be until 4600-4900 rpm.
Comparing a stick to an auto is apples vs. carrotts. I've got full heads, cam, headers, 3.73s, etc etc and put down easily over 475 rwhp and if I roll into second gear I can get traction through second, into third and into fourth. Does that mean that my car is slow, or underpowered? No, it just means I have a linear torque curve that isn't exceeding the friction coefficient of the tire to the road. What breaks tires lose typically is shocking the drivetrain with either too much torque or a sudden change in torque.
Comparing a stick to an auto is apples vs. carrotts. I've got full heads, cam, headers, 3.73s, etc etc and put down easily over 475 rwhp and if I roll into second gear I can get traction through second, into third and into fourth. Does that mean that my car is slow, or underpowered? No, it just means I have a linear torque curve that isn't exceeding the friction coefficient of the tire to the road. What breaks tires lose typically is shocking the drivetrain with either too much torque or a sudden change in torque.
08-30-2010, 07:18 PM
#50
When I say from a roll I mean from a roll without clutch dump lol. And yes I will take that $20 because my friend tries to do it all the time in his focus as a joke. Hell my acura rsx type s doesn't do it and that has 200hp. Being wet out and making a turn doesn't count,
I mean in a straight line, rolling from 10 20mph, and slamming the gas only if you spin to leave marks on the road. My trans am DOES do that, a focus DOES NOT do that. The kid may be vague in saying hes trying to judge the power by if the tires spin but he has a point, that video does look sluggish but we can't know for sure cause the rev limit is set at what that cam would be making the power at! Not to mention he has nothing supporting a cam that size
I mean in a straight line, rolling from 10 20mph, and slamming the gas only if you spin to leave marks on the road. My trans am DOES do that, a focus DOES NOT do that. The kid may be vague in saying hes trying to judge the power by if the tires spin but he has a point, that video does look sluggish but we can't know for sure cause the rev limit is set at what that cam would be making the power at! Not to mention he has nothing supporting a cam that size
08-30-2010, 08:40 PM
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I have the MS3, you needs, 4.10's, cutout, good clutch, and i rev mine to 6700-6800. spinning is losing btw. if you want to spin the tires rev it up and let loose.
08-30-2010, 09:25 PM
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I have the MS4, not much different. I started with stock rear and stock clutch. It seemed like a dog, Put gears and a clutch, big difference. Youll burn that clutch up with the stock 3:42s. You have to slip it soo much to get it to move in low gear,(lack of power down low with big cams) its only a matter of time..Bump that limiter to 68-7000.
I would get rid of those Comp Cam Springs like EVERYONE has said. I wouldnt run the dog **** out of it until I swapped springs...
I would get rid of those Comp Cam Springs like EVERYONE has said. I wouldnt run the dog **** out of it until I swapped springs...
08-30-2010, 10:07 PM
#59
And to your question v8guy, yes you should hit 90mph but the other problem comes to where your limiter is only 6000. I would say a high 80 would be more reasonable cause nothing on your car is setup right for that cam. You REALLY should look into some 4.10's for that cam, and a clutch that can hold the power with ease. I think your car is a dog now but it's mainly because it just has a donkey dick cam slapped in it with nothing supporting it. The previous owner basically did the bare minimum it seems just to say the car has a cam.
08-30-2010, 10:19 PM
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When I say from a roll I mean from a roll without clutch dump lol. And yes I will take that $20 because my friend tries to do it all the time in his focus as a joke. Hell my acura rsx type s doesn't do it and that has 200hp. Being wet out and making a turn doesn't count,
I mean in a straight line, rolling from 10 20mph, and slamming the gas only if you spin to leave marks on the road. My trans am DOES do that, a focus DOES NOT do that. The kid may be vague in saying hes trying to judge the power by if the tires spin but he has a point, that video does look sluggish but we can't know for sure cause the rev limit is set at what that cam would be making the power at! Not to mention he has nothing supporting a cam that size
I mean in a straight line, rolling from 10 20mph, and slamming the gas only if you spin to leave marks on the road. My trans am DOES do that, a focus DOES NOT do that. The kid may be vague in saying hes trying to judge the power by if the tires spin but he has a point, that video does look sluggish but we can't know for sure cause the rev limit is set at what that cam would be making the power at! Not to mention he has nothing supporting a cam that size
. That was the whole point, you said it couldnt be done (didnt specify how
). No way in hell it spins them just rolling on a dry road.Adjust the rev limiter to a higher rpm, which is where your cam shines. A set of heads and gears would really wake it up too.