oOoLy

I want to know which one will give me more power in the street racing ( 382 all bore with solid roller cam or 422 stroker with hydraulic cam ) ?

What is the difference in the price ?

Thanks
Adnan

Chicago Crew UnderBoss

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For street racing in my honest opinion, the 422 stroker with hyd. cam will rule supreme, b/c it will make considerable more low end torque and torque through out the entire rpm band, thus making this the more desirable set up for the street and street racing. Remember-'"TORQUE IS KING and there is no replacement for displacement!"

Now, that having been said, going down the 1/4 mile at a drag strip, the all bore 382 with solid roller, spinning to 7200rpms plus would certainly beat out the 422 hyd cam, at a dragstrip going down the 1/4 mile.

In summary, If your car is more of a street warrior, which will see 95% of its action on the street, then i think the extra low end torque of the 422 with minimal to no maintenance with the hyd. cam is the choice here. I would also suggest if you go the 422 route you go with the cam i will be using in my 427, MTI's S1 cam, which is a proven battled tested aggressive big cubed motor cam with specs of 244/244, .612 lift on a 112lsa.

If your car is more or a race car which sees the 1/4 mile alot at the drag strip and you are mostly concerning about getting your best ets, then i say solid roller 382 would RULE SUPREME!

Good luck,

MTI 427 C5 Roadster

<small>[ February 25, 2003, 07:33 AM: Message edited by: MTI 427 C5 Roadster ]</small>

Onyx LS1

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MTI 427 C5 Roadster:
<strong> Now, that having been said, going down the 1/4 mile at a drag strip, the all bore 382 with solid roller, spinning to 7200rpms plus would certainly beat out the 422 hyd cam, at a dragstrip going down the 1/4 mile.

If your car is more or a race car which sees the 1/4 mile alot at the drag strip and you are mostly concerning about getting your best ets, then i say solid roller 382 would RULE SUPREME!

Good luck,

MTI 427 C5 Roadster </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm not gonna agree with that, in the same car the bigger motor would win a 1/4 race. A 382 is gonna make about the same max rwhp but not near as much under the curve, and the entire torque curve would be smaller. It would be a interesting race, but I would put my money on the cubes.

<small>[ February 25, 2003, 06:48 PM: Message edited by: Onyx LS1 ]</small>

Ron@Vengeance

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Thats a hard decision, but I would have to put my money on the 382 solid roller. Esp at the track. The down low torque the larger motor is going to produce is much less important when you are dumping the clutch at 5500 and shifting at 7200. For the street the 422 may be a bit faster if you can hook up the downlow power you are going for. My old setup made gobs of midrange power and won alot of races from LOW speed rolls and stops, but I got my *** handed to me on highway rolls not having the topend ability. It all depends on your racing technique.

Not sure if you have seen it, but Allan from Futral Motorsports is running 10.50s on motor with his 346 solid roller. I can only imagine what another 35 cubes would do to his dyno graph.

I guess, all in all, if I had the cash, I would let Futral build me a 422 solid roller and have the best of BOTH worlds. Gobs of torque and still spin to 7500rpm <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

wicked LS1 Z28

cammin'beast, if you are talking about futral's project car (346 solid roller), it has gone 10.7x on motor with his sheetmetal intake and 10.8x with the ls6 intank if i remember correctly, not 10.50s as you say. the only 346 car i know of in the 10.5 range is jason99ta's six-speed car which has gone a 10.59 w/ ls6 intake. please correct me if i'm wrong.

nothing taking away from futral's cars in the least, as they seem to always run the number at the track. just trying to clarify things (if i'm even correct) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Ron@Vengeance

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by wicked LS1 Z28:
<strong> cammin'beast, if you are talking about futral's project car (346 solid roller), it has gone 10.7x on motor with his sheetmetal intake and 10.8x with the ls6 intank if i remember correctly, not 10.50s as you say. the only 346 car i know of in the 10.5 range is jason99ta's six-speed car which has gone a 10.59 w/ ls6 intake. please correct me if i'm wrong.

nothing taking away from futral's cars in the least, as they seem to always run the number at the track. just trying to clarify things (if i'm even correct) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I stand corrected, Allan has gone 10.8s while Jason has gone 10.50s. Either way, thats stout for a 346 on motor. Allan also has a VERY small cam in his setup which his wife drives almost daily and even drops the kids off at school. Im sure the same thing could be accomplished in the 422, Im just saying you can get more power out of a solid roller while retaining more drivability. Either way you cant go wrong, its all in personal taste..

WeatherGuy

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Cammin BeaSSt:
<strong> I would let Futral build me a 422 solid roller and have the best of BOTH worlds. Gobs of torque and still spin to 7500rpm <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmmmm . . . sounds like a good idea to me <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />

Chicago Crew UnderBoss

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Man, I totally agree, a 422 cubed solid roller motor would REIGN SUPREME on the street and track. Just buy some HUGE DRAG SLICKS and FORTIFY your drivetrain.

That would make one HECK of a BAD *** MOTOR and car and if you can pull off the few extra bucks,you should go for it b/c you only go around once in this life and man it goes by FAST!

BEst of luck,

MTI 427 C5 Roadster

wicked LS1 Z28

cammin'beast, ok, i thought i remembered the times correctly. i must not be getting to old. i have spoken at length with jason quite a bit on his setup and i know he drives his car everyday to school, so his cam must be pretty driveable too for him to do this. jason has told me he has driven allan's car and it was indeed very driveable. i'm looking into doing a very similar setup for my car when the stock market gets a little better. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

i do agree that a 422 solid roller would be awesome.

oOoLy

The 422 solid roller is agood idea ,so i want to know if anyone try it ?

Thanks
Adnan

GeorgeC

There are already a few mechanical roller cammed 420+cid engines out there...

Big Mike

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I'd go with the 422 stroker with hydraulic cam. I agree with MTI 427 C5 Roadster. At a later point you could always convert this motor over to a solid roller setup. Much easier than pulling the motor out of the car if you ever wanted to upgrade to a 422 from the 382.

oOoLy

how much rwhp/rwtq i will get with 422 stroker with hydraulic cam ?

how much rwhp/rwtq i will get with 422 stroker with solid cam ?


what is the difference bettwen the 422 and 427 ?

BurnOut

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My opinion is that the MONSTER torque supplied by the 422 would do you no good at all on the street, and here's why: you'll NEVER hook it up. Even with a decent sized set of slicks, streets are dirty as hell (compared to a well-prepped track) and even if you carry your own VHT, it won't be layed down for more than the first couple of feet.

I'm sure that a 422 could be hooked up on the street... if you tubbed the car and stuck some 15" wide slicks under it.

Nope, for the street, I'll give my nod to the 382B (382-bore as opposed to 382-stroke), as even stock-cubed H/C (hydraulic, even!!) cars are making some REALLY nice torque numbers. Open up the bore, and watch the torque numbers grow (not nearly as much as the 422, but gains over a 3.9" bore would definitely be noticeable).

As for the solid vs. hydraulic issue, I honestly think that a set of non-adjustable rockers (like the Jesel SS series or similar) with properly sized pushrods will provide operation that is as maintenance free as a hydraulic cam (though with a lot more valvetrain noise). Once the pushrods are properly sized and the rockers are torqued down, the only way that you should EVER end up with out-of-spec lash is if something loosens, bends, or breaks.

Just my $.02...