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Old 06-03-2011, 10:09 AM
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It can be done and you don't need a ridiculously big cam to do it either
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Originally Posted by Detoxx03
It can be done and you don't need a ridiculously big cam to do it either
agreed, if you did you would just kill your torque.
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i made 401 but my torque was low, kinda disappointed on that....cam in sig, full bolt ons, 36lbs injectors, ls6 int, UD pulley, lightweight clutch, stock gears.....357rwtq isn't much more than stock, WTF??
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Originally Posted by '02TA
'02 Trans am with Hooker LT's, TD's, stalled auto, 4.10's, UD pulley, K&N & TB, 230/230 .612/.604 110+4 LSA. Made 390 rwhp and 380 tq on a mustang dyno. Through a 6 speed I think it would have hit your goals.

EDIT: I don't think it makes a difference but my T/A was one of the f-bodies that got a LS6 block
Mine did too
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Originally Posted by Detoxx03
It can be done and you don't need a ridiculously big cam to do it either
Yeah, I agree. I don't want to loose the torque just to make horsepower. I want a good balance. I'm debating on a 227/233 110 LSA or a 230/230 110.
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I did it with a F11 from Futral Motorsports and that's a 228/230
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I did it with a 224/228 on 114 through a 6spd... but I had different headers then you (it was in a 3rdgen Fbody)
I also found out on the dyno that my parking brake sinks 40hp.
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Originally Posted by jc98ss
i made 401 but my torque was low, kinda disappointed on that....cam in sig, full bolt ons, 36lbs injectors, ls6 int, UD pulley, lightweight clutch, stock gears.....357rwtq isn't much more than stock, WTF??
That torque is low. Who specked out the cam for you and who ground it? What lobes? Also, who did your tune?
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With a big cam your aren't going to lose tq it just won't have the feeling under the curve that a smaller cam has.

It makes an illusion that you lost power down low, or tq.. just like headers.
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Did it 7 years ago with 221/221 112
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Originally Posted by Rise of the Phoenix
That torque is low. Who specked out the cam for you and who ground it? What lobes? Also, who did your tune?
Predator-Z spec'd it, it's a Comp Cam on LSL lobes....i guess Comp ground it, i bought it from a non vendor (HK Racing engines).....i have a ton of confidence in the setup, but i think i got ripped on the tune and it could be alot better.....it was tuned by Jerry onks at Vettesport in Smyrna, TN, there a some driveability issues that i've just learned to live with since the tune, i'd rather not take it back to him.....he's a great guy and we didn't have any disagreements, i just sort of question his knowledge on tuning compared to how my car ran with the Frost tune......now it searches for idle for about ten seconds after i start it up, there's some surge at low speeds, when i run A/C it won't idle until the motor is fully warmed up, the idle rpm is about 125 rpm higher than i would like it to be set (i wanted 110lsa for a reason, it sounds more like a 113-114lsa) and the exhaust smell is really strong when i'm sitting at a stoplight.....
other than that, i also need to go back in and change my valve seals, i think i might have crushed one or two of them with the Tim's tool when i was installing the springs because it spits out a little white smoke at idle and i'm consuming about a quart of oil every week.....i didn't smoke or use a drop of oil in between 3000 mile changes when i was just bolt-ons with a Frost tune.
Would extra oil seeping down through the valves kill my torque?

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I put down 439 with stock heads and an ls6 with a tsp 233/239 cam. So yes..
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Do not waste your time with an El Turdo....I mean El Torro cam. It makes a decent TQ curve, but I've never driven a car that felt fast with one and they don't really make much power above 6K. The TQ is linear, but it's not violent.

The 227/233 on LSL lobes would be a good choice.

As for your original question. 400/400 was made on stock LS heads right around the time Bill Clinton was getting blow jobs in the white house. That's old news sir.
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Originally Posted by Damian
Do not waste your time with an El Turdo....I mean El Torro cam. It makes a decent TQ curve, but I've never driven a car that felt fast with one and they don't really make much power above 6K. The TQ is linear, but it's not violent.
The 227/233 on LSL lobes would be a good choice.

As for your original question. 400/400 was made on stock LS heads right around the time Bill Clinton was getting blow jobs in the white house. That's old news sir.
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Originally Posted by Rise of the Phoenix
What cam to acheive this?

2002 WS6
6 speed
long tubes
true duals
ls6 intake
SLP air lid

Would a 228/232 110 LSA or a 227/233 111 LSA get me there? Also, what about the "El Torro" cam. Anyone have any numbers with it?
I run a 228/232 on a 110+4 cam.. See my mods in sig.. I make at the rear 419/382.. Dynoed on Straightlines Mustang dyno too
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Originally Posted by Rise of the Phoenix
What cam to acheive this?

2002 WS6
6 speed
long tubes
true duals
ls6 intake
SLP air lid

Would a 228/232 110 LSA or a 227/233 111 LSA get me there? Also, what about the "El Torro" cam. Anyone have any numbers with it?
Yes absolutely it is possible. i made 416rwhp 400rwtq with G5X3 cam and stock 241 heads
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Fellow here many years ago made 400/400 with a 224/224 563/563 110/106 open exhaust though. Stock 241s+LTs+UDP.

HP peaked at 6000rpm.
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Originally Posted by Damian
Do not waste your time with an El Turdo....I mean El Torro cam. It makes a decent TQ curve, but I've never driven a car that felt fast with one and they don't really make much power above 6K. The TQ is linear, but it's not violent.

The 227/233 on LSL lobes would be a good choice.

As for your original question. 400/400 was made on stock LS heads right around the time Bill Clinton was getting blow jobs in the white house. That's old news sir.

What's the benefit of the LSL lobes? Was thinking about having Cam Motion grind the cam. Or possibly EPS. Also, what would you recommend for ground in advance?
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My buddy on hear had that set up w a MS4 cam stock 853 heads LS6 intake, Lid Threw a 6spd and stock 10 bolt rear car made 421whp 400Tq on a Dyno jet

On the Same dyno My self w MS4 cam kit Ported Fast 102 Intake w 92mm Tb blah blah blah ...........check out sig

Car made 402WHP

Threw a 4k stall Th400 and a 9in rear
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Converse to the typical route, we can simply CNC/refurbish your stock head and you can retain the factory camshaft. If you are attempting to maximize area under the curve below 6krpm, then running a larger cam shaft may not be the ideal route. There are labor advantages to not having to swap the cam as well.


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