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Old 07-28-2011, 12:05 AM
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2002 WS6, m6, all stock outside of a lid,suspension, and a GMMG catback.

I believe the stock fuel injectors on an 02 LS1 were 28lbs.

The camshaft going in as stated in the title of the thread is an EPS 222/226 .597/601 lift i believe at 115+3

Is it absolutely necessary to buy new injectors. I WILL NOT be doing headers or heads.
All of my parts came in today and I'm pretty much ready to drop my car off at the shop.

Thoughts???
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I would say no
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Originally Posted by jthunderz28
2002 WS6, m6, all stock outside of a lid,suspension, and a GMMG catback.

I believe the stock fuel injectors on an 02 LS1 were 28lbs.

The camshaft going in as stated in the title of the thread is an EPS 222/226 .597/601 lift i believe at 115+3

Is it absolutely necessary to buy new injectors. I WILL NOT be doing headers or heads.
All of my parts came in today and I'm pretty much ready to drop my car off at the shop.

Thoughts???
No you do not need injectors, but I highly recomend getting headers so that cam can breath.
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ok i'll let the shop know to hold off on the injectors. And I can't do headers legally because... I live in the great state of CA

Thanks for the input guys
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You don't need them. But I would look at doing some maybe down the road for piece of mind.
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Originally Posted by jthunderz28
ok i'll let the shop know to hold off on the injectors. And I can't do headers legally because... I live in the great state of CA

Thanks for the input guys
you really should of chose a better cam suited to you. a single pattern cam is not gonna run its best with stock exhaust manifolds. EPS cut my cam and 408maros cam for exhaust manifolds and they are not single pattern cams. both of our cam specs are on norcal
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Originally Posted by 99 Blue Bird
you really should of chose a better cam suited to you. a single pattern cam is not gonna run its best with stock exhaust manifolds. EPS cut my cam and 408maros cam for exhaust manifolds and they are not single pattern cams. both of our cam specs are on norcal
yea that's kinda what I was thinking. Should be kinda the opposite like 226/222 or something like that
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Originally Posted by z99ls1
yea that's kinda what I was thinking. Should be kinda the opposite like 226/222 or something like that
mines a 218/230
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Originally Posted by 99 Blue Bird
mines a 218/230
ha maybe im backwards. Im confused and tired lol
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Originally Posted by jthunderz28
2002 WS6, m6, all stock outside of a lid,suspension, and a GMMG catback.

I believe the stock fuel injectors on an 02 LS1 were 28lbs.

The camshaft going in as stated in the title of the thread is an EPS 222/226 .597/601 lift i believe at 115+3

Is it absolutely necessary to buy new injectors. I WILL NOT be doing headers or heads.
All of my parts came in today and I'm pretty much ready to drop my car off at the shop.

Thoughts???
No, if your fuel pressure high and constant. Also as mentioned this cam is not the best for your exhaust manifolds.
Pick another with more exhaust split like CheaTR or derivative.
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You should be just fine with the stock injectors. I'm still running the stockers on my EPS 226/230.
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Originally Posted by *02WS6TURK*
You should be just fine with the stock injectors. I'm still running the stockers on my EPS 226/230.
Nobody is doubting what can be done. What is your duty cycle currently at with your stock injectors? What is the recommended maximum duty cycle of your injectors? At what duty cycle does the rate of injector failure increase beyond what someone considers average or accepted failure rate? These are actual questions we should be answering to help this poster find what he seeks. Not "it should be ok".
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Originally Posted by 01ssreda4
Nobody is doubting what can be done. What is your duty cycle currently at with your stock injectors? What is the recommended maximum duty cycle of your injectors? At what duty cycle does the rate of injector failure increase beyond what someone considers average or accepted failure rate? These are actual questions we should be answering to help this poster find what he seeks. Not "it should be ok".
So then answer them champ. Nice reply.
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I know my stock injector duty cycle with a 220s cam, I know the SVO 30s duty cycle I replaced them with, and I know what my 42 pounders are at now with a slightly different setup but still cam only. Where would you like me to start?
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when you get it tuned, the tuner will be able to tell you where your present injectors are at (%duty cycle). You decide from there. If you're just getting a mail order tune, you'll probably be ok with the stockers.
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Originally Posted by 99 Blue Bird
you really should of chose a better cam suited to you. a single pattern cam is not gonna run its best with stock exhaust manifolds. EPS cut my cam and 408maros cam for exhaust manifolds and they are not single pattern cams. both of our cam specs are on norcal
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yea that's kinda what I was thinking. Should be kinda the opposite like 226/222 or something like that
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No, if your fuel pressure high and constant. Also as mentioned this cam is not the best for your exhaust manifolds.
Pick another with more exhaust split like CheaTR or derivative.
The cam is actually a 222/226, Do not go off the numbers in the title of the thread. I messed up when i typed it. The correct specs are in my first post.

I personally talked to Geoff at EPS for over an hour and a half over two days and this is what he recommended even with stock manifolds considered. I'm sure I'll be fine.
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Originally Posted by jthunderz28
The cam is actually a 222/226, Do not go off the numbers in the title of the thread. I messed up when i typed it. The correct specs are in my first post.

I personally talked to Geoff at EPS for over an hour and a half over two days and this is what he recommended even with stock manifolds considered. I'm sure I'll be fine.
You will. Of course some LT's would compliment it nicely. A local that has a baby cam like that with stock manifolds and it makes pretty good power.
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Your tuner can let you know what your injector duty cycle is when he tunes it. Normally you'll want to keep it under 85%.
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Originally Posted by *02WS6TURK*
You should be just fine with the stock injectors. I'm still running the stockers on my EPS 226/230.
You might want to check your duty cycle. I have the same cam and logged the car at the track. 99% duty cycle. Got my injectors re-sized by FIC. Will get them in the car soon. My car is a 2002 Z/28 that came with 28 lb injectors stock. I'm willing to bet you are out of injector.
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Always always always check duty cycle! its easy to say that u will stay cam only until u get bitten by the mod bug again. i said i wouldnt by another fbody. wrong lol. i love em


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