M6HuggerSS

im looking for a good CA cam! im looking for a torque monster not a 6500 rpm cam!

at first i was thinking a 222/222 .563/.563 114 or a 224/224 114.
but i heard that they are pretty short on low end torque!

so how would that 216/220 .525/.532 114 compare?
does anyone know the power band on this cam or know the charactoristics on it?

please help ! 216/220 or 224/224?

BadAndy

My friend has a 216/220 or a 214/218 I forget. Makes good power ~385-395, but makes no torque.

M6HuggerSS

really! i thought they made more low end than a 224 cam? am i wrong?

if so what is a monster TQ cam!!!!!!!!!!under 224 114....for smog reasons

2xLS1

iTrader: (25)

I had the comp 216/220 in my 99 and swapped it out for the T/R 220. I noticed very little difference and the car did not pick up much in the 1/4 after the swap. It is a good torque cam and the power does not fall off clear up to 6500 on the dyno. It sets misfire codes in a A4 car with their lower idle speeds. You can use the cheaper LS6 springs with it also.

equandt

iTrader: (2)

I think the comp 216/220 is a great little cam. If you do a search you'll find lots of info on it. I struggled hard with the decision to put the 216/220 cam in my car or the TR220. I ultimately went with the TR220 but I think I would be equally happy with the 216/220 cam. The 216/220 makes good power and is easy on the springs.

I chose the TR220 because the TR cams have pretty agressive lobe profiles / ramp rates. This allows the TR cams to idle well and make some monster low end torque. If you look at the TR220 or TR224 cam dyno sheets you'll see these cams give up very little to smaller cams in regards to low end torque. I didn't want the choppy idle of the TR224 (too choppy for me anyway), so I went with the TR220. The TR cams make some great torque

If you go with the 216/220 would suggest using the comp 918 spring instead of the LS6 springs. Springs are such cheap insurance that it is silly not to. The 216/220 cam w/ the 918 springs would make a bullet proof combo.

m1key99WS6

iTrader: (1)

I've got a 216/220 cam only car, runs 12.1's @ 113 3750 Raceweight. I daily drive mine 120 miles/day perfect drivability, a real sleeper cam (you can barely hear it). I've got about 45K on mine with a set of 918's. It's not the torquest cam it dyno'd 382/37x through a 10-bolt with all boltons.

Personally I wish I had went bigger now, but this cam has PERFECT drivability, which is why I havn't swapped it out yet. I can leave the car sitting overnight in the cold, next morning 30 degrees fire it right up and drive instantly *NO WAITING like a 224 or bigger cam+.

Cam Specs: 216/220 .579 .589 114 +4 Comp Cam

Cheers.

SouthFL.02.SS

An MTI C1 222/222 .566/.566 ground on a 114 would be great.

boomcase

I currently have the 216/220 cam with the lower lift of 525/532 on a 114 LSA, decided on this cam because I wanted it to be easier on the valve springs. Im pretty happy with the cam for its size , very well rounded but as some have said you will need a tune , I had misfire codes and idleing issues. My car ran a 12.18 , 12.19 at 111mph 1.70 60ft with 2800 stall, ls1 intake I was having some horsepower loss issues from something in my car at the time (Dynoed after track and HP was down to 327) and I still have the same problem with the new mods I did over the winter.
1. Graph 2800 stall ls1 intake 216/220 cam Pic

2. After track day with problems Dyno Pic

3. After new manley valvesprings , Hardened pushrods , LS6 intake , TCI 3800 stall , Trans pak , Pic

I do like the cam it has alittle lope to it and its a great performer, Ijust have to get my problems fixed . By the way my baseline before cam was 311/333 on the same dyno and my car ran 12.40s at 110 mph with 273 gears so my car has always dynoed low.

I need to get it to the track soon and see what it runs, I know that the TCI 3800 is taken away some of the RWHP so we will have to see what times it puts down before I start swearing again. LOL

If i were in your position , I would do the 224/224 . Great cam and proven performer, you have 410 in your car I dont think you will feel like you lose RWT.

soliari

I have a comp cams 216/216 XE-R. I think it makes great low end torque and pulls hard clear up to 6500. Power was 397/391 SAE but it gets over 350 RWTQ at 3k ... not bad huh?

Here's the dyno

M6HuggerSS

nice numbers SOLARI !

good torque! so should i go with a 224/224? is that the best all around cam?
any other cams that would make more TQ down low?

and since i want a lower power band shouldnt i go with less duration> like a 220 or a 222...........how much power would i lose and where would the power band be brought down too? i plan on doing stage 2 5.3 heads with a 10.8:1 CR if that helps!

lsx24

iTrader: (45)

Wow that has an impressive curve with relatively small dimensions. I guess those lobes are special after all. It looks like it would make over 300 lb/ft at 2k, now that's something.

PREDATOR-Z

What lobes does the COMP 216/220, .525/.532 114lsa have??

lsx24

iTrader: (45)

Lobe = XE-R, don't know about valve events or by how much they differ.

soliari

Thanks. I'm really loving the cam!! But, I'm pretty sure I'm at the end of the cam profile. I don't think that even heads will help all that much ... but I might try it in the future anyway!!!

DaddySS

Give the guys at Thunder a call. I was having the exact same discussion with them - 216/220, TR220, TR224?

We talked about lobe profiles, spring life, low end torque, and power under the curve. They said 216/220 =20 to 30HP, TR220=30 to 40HP, TR224=40 +.

I went with the TR220 in the end to be conservative on spring life and lope. Car runs great, I picked up 30 HP, and the torque curve picks up over the stock cam right at 2000 (where the dyno starts recording).

The Guy in MY 99TA

my thoughts......... TOO SMALL!!!!!!

LOL

JakeL

What is the lift/LSA on that cam? I haven't seen that one before. How's the idle and valvetrain noise?

-Jake

soliari

The cam is a Comp Cam XE-R
216/216 @ .050
.588/.588 w/ 1.7 rr
114+2 LSA
112 intake center line

It idles very, very smoothly at ~850 rpm (stealth - stock like). Most don't know I have a cam except for the light valvetrain noise. Around town driving is a dream and I usually get 20+ city mpg with 29+ hiway mpg.

Mike's02Z28M6

Wow! That is sweet!

Any TR220 or TR224 guys getting anywhere near that gas mileage?

M6HuggerSS

WOW those lobes and lift numbers are probly hell on the valvetrain ( springs ) !!!!!!!!