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From what it sounds like you want, the SNS Torque Max Stage 2 fits the bill. Rowdy idle, makes great power, doesn't require 7000 rpm shifts, and when tuned right, will drive with awesome manners. Go on youtube and look up "The Mongoose WS6". That's my car with that cam. I think the idle will blow you away.
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OK, i'm gonna jump on the "ask Martin's advice" bandwagon.
Martin, this summer i picked up a 99 Camaro SS, and i'm looking to pick up a camshaft this winter, possibly end of next summer, depending on taxtime funds, but anyways, i am looking for something with a lopey idle that will be noticed, that is isn't a max-effort top end power band camshaft. It is a summertime only toy that isn't a daily driver, but won't see the track. I want to make goof power, but not have to wring it out to 7000 al the time. I had been considering being lazy and going the GMPP ASA cam for it's idle and being gentle on the valvetrain, but wanted to explore other options.
It currently has/will have
LS6 intake, SLP flopac cold air setup, not just the top piece under the airbox, Pacesetter ceramic longtubes, offroad y-pipe, GMMG catback. Suspension and other goodies that don't affect HP, factory 3.42 gears are staying for awhile, as i am putting a Monster stage 2 setup in it this winter, and will be ordering the package from you guys that includes all the hydraulics with your master and remote bleeder.
I am thinking about either the Polluter v2, or the sns torquemax stage 3, but am i biting off too much cam for my wants? Which , if either would be good for stoplight to stoplight street fun with an idle that will turn heads wherever i go, but doesn't buck like a rabid bull and be miserable to drive cruising with the T-tops out?
Thanks for your knowledge and time good sir...
Jason from Detroit
Martin, this summer i picked up a 99 Camaro SS, and i'm looking to pick up a camshaft this winter, possibly end of next summer, depending on taxtime funds, but anyways, i am looking for something with a lopey idle that will be noticed, that is isn't a max-effort top end power band camshaft. It is a summertime only toy that isn't a daily driver, but won't see the track. I want to make goof power, but not have to wring it out to 7000 al the time. I had been considering being lazy and going the GMPP ASA cam for it's idle and being gentle on the valvetrain, but wanted to explore other options.
It currently has/will have
LS6 intake, SLP flopac cold air setup, not just the top piece under the airbox, Pacesetter ceramic longtubes, offroad y-pipe, GMMG catback. Suspension and other goodies that don't affect HP, factory 3.42 gears are staying for awhile, as i am putting a Monster stage 2 setup in it this winter, and will be ordering the package from you guys that includes all the hydraulics with your master and remote bleeder.
I am thinking about either the Polluter v2, or the sns torquemax stage 3, but am i biting off too much cam for my wants? Which , if either would be good for stoplight to stoplight street fun with an idle that will turn heads wherever i go, but doesn't buck like a rabid bull and be miserable to drive cruising with the T-tops out?
Thanks for your knowledge and time good sir...
Jason from Detroit
If you don't want 7000rpm shift points then I would not recommend the Polluter or the SNS Stage 3. Both will require 6800-7200rpm shift points to perform optimally. Both of those camshafts mentioned really need lower ring and pinion gears(higher numeric) to perform optimally as well.
As Rise of the Phoenix mentioned, the SNS Stage 2 camshaft is right up your alley. Since you like the ASA camshafts powerband and lobe profile, the mild version of the SNS Stage 2 would be my choice.
You'll need to purchase our camshaft package which includes a Tick Performance dual spring kit, your choice of retainer material, your choice of a BTR Platinum dual spring or a PAC 1904 series Hot Rod spring, Tick Performance hardened chromoly push rods, LS6 ported oil pump, LS2 timing chain and a bolt and gasket kit.
The bolt and gasket kit includes all the required gaskets to swap the cam. This includes 2 water pump gaskets, a timing cover gasket, timing cover seal and a balancer bolt.
Hope this helps.
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hi Martin - suggestions please 
Just installed your adjustable master
Also just put on 1 7/8 headers and offroad Y, LS6 intake and accufab tbody, alum flywheel, lid and tune.
Cam is next. I had old school MTI B1 221/221 114 in my old car. Loved it.
Looking for something mild again. Suggestions? Street car primarily.
Just installed your adjustable master Also just put on 1 7/8 headers and offroad Y, LS6 intake and accufab tbody, alum flywheel, lid and tune.
Cam is next. I had old school MTI B1 221/221 114 in my old car. Loved it.
Looking for something mild again. Suggestions? Street car primarily.
Martin,
What would you suggest for my application. Simple swap into a 97 S10 that will be completely stock except for a set of 1 5/8 shorty headers and true duals with no cat. Just muffler with the least back pressure I can find. And a possible good cam swap to bump it up a little. I like the big cam lope and want to be as aggressive I can for right now with all stock valve train.
This engine will be built for a more race application later on when I stock up on the parts I need for the build. Right now I just want to have some fun with it cheaply.
What would you suggest for my application. Simple swap into a 97 S10 that will be completely stock except for a set of 1 5/8 shorty headers and true duals with no cat. Just muffler with the least back pressure I can find. And a possible good cam swap to bump it up a little. I like the big cam lope and want to be as aggressive I can for right now with all stock valve train.
This engine will be built for a more race application later on when I stock up on the parts I need for the build. Right now I just want to have some fun with it cheaply.
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hi Martin - suggestions please Just installed your adjustable master
Also just put on 1 7/8 headers and offroad Y, LS6 intake and accufab tbody, alum flywheel, lid and tune.
Cam is next. I had old school MTI B1 221/221 114 in my old car. Loved it.
Looking for something mild again. Suggestions? Street car primarily.
Just installed your adjustable master Also just put on 1 7/8 headers and offroad Y, LS6 intake and accufab tbody, alum flywheel, lid and tune.
Cam is next. I had old school MTI B1 221/221 114 in my old car. Loved it.
Looking for something mild again. Suggestions? Street car primarily.
Martin,
What would you suggest for my application. Simple swap into a 97 S10 that will be completely stock except for a set of 1 5/8 shorty headers and true duals with no cat. Just muffler with the least back pressure I can find. And a possible good cam swap to bump it up a little. I like the big cam lope and want to be as aggressive I can for right now with all stock valve train.
This engine will be built for a more race application later on when I stock up on the parts I need for the build. Right now I just want to have some fun with it cheaply.
What would you suggest for my application. Simple swap into a 97 S10 that will be completely stock except for a set of 1 5/8 shorty headers and true duals with no cat. Just muffler with the least back pressure I can find. And a possible good cam swap to bump it up a little. I like the big cam lope and want to be as aggressive I can for right now with all stock valve train.
This engine will be built for a more race application later on when I stock up on the parts I need for the build. Right now I just want to have some fun with it cheaply.
The only thing that really needs to be replaced are the valve springs and of course the camshaft with one of these style camshafts. They don't afford the most HP or TQ at peak, but they can easily wake up a vehicle with 30-40rwhp and little maintenance to speak of.
I'd recommend a PAC 1218 beehive valve spring to go with the cam that is selected.
What transmission and rear gear ratio?
Thanks for the help. Stock 4L80e trany, stock converter. Havent ordered a gear yet. Most like 3.43 to 4.10 range with a spool in the stock 7.5 rear end. Have to figure out where I want the rpm and if it will ever see the highway at 70mph. 3.43 puts me at 2160 rpm and the 4.10 would be almost 2600 rpm at 70 mph. Its not a daily driver by no means. Just a fun weekend truck for now. I could break the rear before the engine. LOL But that's ok.
Forgot to mention. 2002 LQ4 6.0 with iron block.
When I build the engine later it will get a dual spring. I don't like to run single springs on a race application due to if it fails, your most likely hurting a lot of parts. At least the dual has a backup and could save it. This is a 150k mile engine so I know its not going to be a beast. Just a little more fun.
Forgot to mention. 2002 LQ4 6.0 with iron block.
When I build the engine later it will get a dual spring. I don't like to run single springs on a race application due to if it fails, your most likely hurting a lot of parts. At least the dual has a backup and could save it. This is a 150k mile engine so I know its not going to be a beast. Just a little more fun.
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Thanks for the help. Stock 4L80e trany, stock converter. Havent ordered a gear yet. Most like 3.43 to 4.10 range with a spool in the stock 7.5 rear end. Have to figure out where I want the rpm and if it will ever see the highway at 70mph. 3.43 puts me at 2160 rpm and the 4.10 would be almost 2600 rpm at 70 mph. Its not a daily driver by no means. Just a fun weekend truck for now. I could break the rear before the engine. LOL But that's ok.
Forgot to mention. 2002 LQ4 6.0 with iron block.
When I build the engine later it will get a dual spring. I don't like to run single springs on a race application due to if it fails, your most likely hurting a lot of parts. At least the dual has a backup and could save it. This is a 150k mile engine so I know its not going to be a beast. Just a little more fun.
Forgot to mention. 2002 LQ4 6.0 with iron block.
When I build the engine later it will get a dual spring. I don't like to run single springs on a race application due to if it fails, your most likely hurting a lot of parts. At least the dual has a backup and could save it. This is a 150k mile engine so I know its not going to be a beast. Just a little more fun.
Maybe split the difference at 3.73 or 3.90.
If you're looking for something mild, here is a custom grind with a very nice lobe profile that will easily go 30-50k miles on a quality dual spring.
227/227 .598/.585 113.5+3
This is a custom grind camshaft and would be 400.00 dollars.
We can do it!
I think the 3.73 will work for me. the 4.10 might be a little much for a street gear. It will have a 28x11.50 rear tire as well.
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You want a camshaft that can be used with a stock LQ4 valve spring, stock push rod and lifter, but you plan on installing dual springs one day?
Martin,
This is going to be 2 different builds.
1st is for the cam I asked your advice on. Stock engine, don't want to do a lot extra to it. Just want a little more power for some fun on the street.
2nd build.
I am going to put the parts together that is needed for my build. I am shooting for 600 rwhp on this build. At which time it will have aftermarket pistons, rods, crank, heads, big cam, springs, titanium retainers and locks, lots of head work or aftermarket heads. Will also spray at least 1 kit for 200-250 and maybe a 2nd kit on top of that. 9 inch rear end, narrowed, ladder bar setup with a better track gearing. About a 4k stall on a very build trany.
This build is going to take some cash and I am not going to do it right now.
So for now, I'm looking at the 1st step to a fun little street truck that will see the track rarely.
I hope this clears up what I am doing with this truck. Just a cam to have fun with for now, while I build up the parts needed for the monster rebuild. Again, at that time it will be getting a new cam again.
Thanks again for the advice.
This is going to be 2 different builds.
1st is for the cam I asked your advice on. Stock engine, don't want to do a lot extra to it. Just want a little more power for some fun on the street.
2nd build.
I am going to put the parts together that is needed for my build. I am shooting for 600 rwhp on this build. At which time it will have aftermarket pistons, rods, crank, heads, big cam, springs, titanium retainers and locks, lots of head work or aftermarket heads. Will also spray at least 1 kit for 200-250 and maybe a 2nd kit on top of that. 9 inch rear end, narrowed, ladder bar setup with a better track gearing. About a 4k stall on a very build trany.
This build is going to take some cash and I am not going to do it right now.
So for now, I'm looking at the 1st step to a fun little street truck that will see the track rarely.
I hope this clears up what I am doing with this truck. Just a cam to have fun with for now, while I build up the parts needed for the monster rebuild. Again, at that time it will be getting a new cam again.
Thanks again for the advice.