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As much as I love Chris' work, I have extreme doubts about that deal...
I want to know what it traps in the 1/4 at what weight and I would really want to see it spin the drums on an inertia style roller like a Dyno Jet. You can easily manipulate a MD to read whatever you want it to read.
I want to know what it traps in the 1/4 at what weight and I would really want to see it spin the drums on an inertia style roller like a Dyno Jet. You can easily manipulate a MD to read whatever you want it to read.
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I'll try to look at it soon.
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You can manipulate any dyno to read what you want it to read. I agree id like to see some trap speeds as well. Ive seen guys make 550 wheel with out of the box trick flows on similar cubic inch engines without question, its not far fetched for me to believe that an extensively worked runner and chamber could put up another 50 with a very well designed combo.
You don't do that with a dyno jet as a dyno jet uses a fixed weight drum that is used to calculate torque. The only way you can alter an unloaded or loaded dyno jet that operates as an inertia style dyno is to cut material off the drum itself and then every car reads high.
The owner of the car said they "calibrated" the dyno to read like a dyno jet. That just isn't a good representation of what a 416 with good heads and a fast intake will make IMO and gives guys false hope.
550-560 would be an achievement and is my guess as to what it would actually make on a dyno jet. Again that is still very respectable for a 416 with a small cam. Knowing what kind of cylinder pressure would have to be made at the rpm it was made at to make those HP numbers with that engine package just doesn't seem logical or possible. If it had a single plane with 12:1 compression and a big cam I'd believe it, but just not in that form.
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Martin, I shot you an e-mail a couple of days ago, trying to get my set-up on a 02 SS figured out. I'm ready to pull the trigger, just want to talk it over with you before doing so. I know you're busy, so when you get a chance if you could get back to me that would be great! Thanks,
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I'm just going to ask this for future reference. I just installed a btr stage 2 n/a (227/234 .613/.576 113+2) but the car didn't really pick up any power from the previous cam which I did not know the car had when I bought it (224/220 .581/.581 115). Car traps the same 114 mph as it did before the cam swap. I really wanted to buy one of your sns cams but I was worried about p to v clearances because I did not know the specs on the heads and I got the btr cheap. Now I know that my 243 heads have been ported and milled to 62 cc's. I have an ls6 intake/tb hooker lt's, 36lb red injectors, ls7 lifters with a t56 and 12 bolt with 4.11 gears. Which cam would you recommend as an upgrade? I have to somehow convince the wife to let me do it after I just finished it 2 weeks ago... lol
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Martin, I shot you an e-mail a couple of days ago, trying to get my set-up on a 02 SS figured out. I'm ready to pull the trigger, just want to talk it over with you before doing so. I know you're busy, so when you get a chance if you could get back to me that would be great! Thanks,
I'll hopefully get to it today as I have a bunch of emails to get to before I go home.
I posted this a little while back and you probably missed it Martin. I am seriously considering a cam swap now because of the identical trap speed and also I had the car dynoed this past saturday and it only picked up about 10 hp from before. I also really want a more agressive sound. sounds like a baby cam right now lol. currently the car has stock thickness MLS head gaskets which I believe are .053. I want to be able to get the most power out of it. A friend made 465hp with milled PRC heads and an MS4 so they keep telling me to get an MS4 but I know it wont fit. Plus, I like the power band on your cams better. I hope you can point me in the right direction so I can do this one last time and not have to mess with it again.
The largest camshaft I feel comfortable with you using in your application without fly-cutting is our 231/235 111+2 LS2 SNS Stage 2. The problem with that camshaft is that it is not a large enough of a difference in valve events for the engine to gain enough power for this to be a worth while swap.
If I were you, I'd mill your heads to 58cc, buy .040" gaskets, buy the SNS Stage 3 and add another 20-30rwhp to your combination.
You could also take the heads and send them to Chris Frank and have him do his Stage 2 CNC program. I know you said they're already ported, but he would add larger valves (2.040"/1.575") and his port is most likely going to be a bit better than what you currently have.
There is a chance though that the heads are already pretty well "hogged out", meaning the cross section is larger than Chris' "Stage 2" CNC program. He wouldn't be able to run his CNC program on them if this is the case. He might be able to re-shape the ports to his liking by hand and still add the larger intake and exhaust valve, but you'd need him to evaluate the heads first.
In my opinion for you to see a large enough meaningful gain in power, reduction in E.T. and increase in trap speed you'll need to go to a cam like our SNS Stage 3. The only problem with that camshaft in your combination is you will have to fly-cut the pistons in order to have safe P to V.
The largest camshaft I feel comfortable with you using in your application without fly-cutting is our 231/235 111+2 LS2 SNS Stage 2. The problem with that camshaft is that it is not a large enough of a difference in valve events for the engine to gain enough power for this to be a worth while swap.
If I were you, I'd mill your heads to 58cc, buy .040" gaskets, buy the SNS Stage 3 and add another 20-30rwhp to your combination.
You could also take the heads and send them to Chris Frank and have him do his Stage 2 CNC program. I know you said they're already ported, but he would add larger valves (2.040"/1.575") and his port is most likely going to be a bit better than what you currently have.
There is a chance though that the heads are already pretty well "hogged out", meaning the cross section is larger than Chris' "Stage 2" CNC program. He wouldn't be able to run his CNC program on them if this is the case. He might be able to re-shape the ports to his liking by hand and still add the larger intake and exhaust valve, but you'd need him to evaluate the heads first.
Got my SNS 3 installed. Idles decent for a stock tune. Just gotta button a few more things up, and shes ready for the dyno. Scheduled for Feb 28, i will upload numbers after the tune.
Quick idle vid:
Tick SNS 3 untuned:
Stock engine bay:
Completed engine bay, still a little dirty:
Quick idle vid:
Tick SNS 3 untuned:
Stock engine bay:
Completed engine bay, still a little dirty:
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LS3 With Tick SNS Stage 2 cam and kit I just did a Tick performance LS3 Stage 2 cam kit installation on my 2011 C6.
The car has Kooks 1-7/8 LT's with catted X pipe into stock NPP mufflers, Halltech CAI and a trunion upgrade
Martin spent the time to answer my questions and gave me his recommendation on a cam for my car and driving style
What a great cam...sounds like a complete beast and still has great street manors for a cam making this much power.
487 RWHP and 448 RWTQ and still great throttle response
56 RWHP from a cam only install
Thanks Martin for your time.
The car has Kooks 1-7/8 LT's with catted X pipe into stock NPP mufflers, Halltech CAI and a trunion upgrade
Martin spent the time to answer my questions and gave me his recommendation on a cam for my car and driving style
What a great cam...sounds like a complete beast and still has great street manors for a cam making this much power.
487 RWHP and 448 RWTQ and still great throttle response
56 RWHP from a cam only install
Thanks Martin for your time.
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I just did a Tick performance LS3 Stage 2 cam kit installation on my 2011 C6.
The car has Kooks 1-7/8 LT's with catted X pipe into stock NPP mufflers, Halltech CAI and a trunion upgrade
Martin spent the time to answer my questions and gave me his recommendation on a cam for my car and driving style
What a great cam...sounds like a complete beast and still has great street manors for a cam making this much power.
487 RWHP and 448 RWTQ and still great throttle response
56 RWHP from a cam only install
Thanks Martin for your time.
The car has Kooks 1-7/8 LT's with catted X pipe into stock NPP mufflers, Halltech CAI and a trunion upgrade
Martin spent the time to answer my questions and gave me his recommendation on a cam for my car and driving style
What a great cam...sounds like a complete beast and still has great street manors for a cam making this much power.
487 RWHP and 448 RWTQ and still great throttle response
56 RWHP from a cam only install
Thanks Martin for your time.
Enjoy!
Martin, I'm seriously considering changing up my combo quite a bit. I currently have the SNS Stage 2 cam, but am thinking about going with a much larger cam; something in the very upper 230's/lower 240's intake and upper 240's exhaust. My plan is to pull the heads because I'm going to have to fly-cut either way, so while I've got the heads off, I would have them milled down much farther than they already are. I'm not sure what compression you think would work best, but in my mind, I'm thinking something around 12:1 on pump gas 93 octane. For the intake, it will be either the new MSD Atomic, the new Vararam, or a FAST 102mm. For the TB, it will for sure be a NW 102mm. My goal with this is going to be hitting 500+ on the dyno and hopefully with a new rear and more seat time hitting high 10's NA. I've already got ARP rod bolts, so I'm good with spinning this thing to 7000 or higher. My question for you is this Martin; Right now, with the SNS Stage 2 and my AI Dart/RHS heads, my PTV clearance is .080 on the intake and .100 on the exhaust side. Let's say you spec me a cam in the 238/244 111 LSA or 240/246 110 LSA range, what would be the optimal DCR and SCR? Also, what would you run for head gaskets and how thick of pushrods should I run? I assume you will say .040 head gaskets to optimize quench. I've attached the flow numbers of the heads also. As always, look forward to hearing back from you.
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Martin, I'm seriously considering changing up my combo quite a bit. I currently have the SNS Stage 2 cam, but am thinking about going with a much larger cam; something in the very upper 230's/lower 240's intake and upper 240's exhaust. My plan is to pull the heads because I'm going to have to fly-cut either way, so while I've got the heads off, I would have them milled down much farther than they already are. I'm not sure what compression you think would work best, but in my mind, I'm thinking something around 12:1 on pump gas 93 octane. For the intake, it will be either the new MSD Atomic, the new Vararam, or a FAST 102mm. For the TB, it will for sure be a NW 102mm. My goal with this is going to be hitting 500+ on the dyno and hopefully with a new rear and more seat time hitting high 10's NA. I've already got ARP rod bolts, so I'm good with spinning this thing to 7000 or higher. My question for you is this Martin; Right now, with the SNS Stage 2 and my AI Dart/RHS heads, my PTV clearance is .080 on the intake and .100 on the exhaust side. Let's say you spec me a cam in the 238/244 111 LSA or 240/246 110 LSA range, what would be the optimal DCR and SCR? Also, what would you run for head gaskets and how thick of pushrods should I run? I assume you will say .040 head gaskets to optimize quench. I've attached the flow numbers of the heads also. As always, look forward to hearing back from you.
.040" gaskets and dual tapered 3/8" to 5/16" .135" wall Trend push rods.
Also a good set of lifters wouldn't be a bad idea as well. Morel 5315 is a great choice on a budget.
I'd be really intrigued to see what the MSD intake can do...
Your 4.30 rear gear selection is a good one IMO, but it may need 7000-7200 through the traps on the spray, possibly even higher depending on tire size. On motor I feel that gear is perfect for a 6800rpm-7000rpm crossing RPM.
I'd shoot for 11.5-11.7:1 and a 8.5-8.7 DCR.
.040" gaskets and dual tapered 3/8" to 5/16" .135" wall Trend push rods.
Also a good set of lifters wouldn't be a bad idea as well. Morel 5315 is a great choice on a budget.
I'd be really intrigued to see what the MSD intake can do...
I'd shoot for 11.5-11.7:1 and a 8.5-8.7 DCR.
.040" gaskets and dual tapered 3/8" to 5/16" .135" wall Trend push rods.
Also a good set of lifters wouldn't be a bad idea as well. Morel 5315 is a great choice on a budget.
I'd be really intrigued to see what the MSD intake can do...
I fly cut my pistons .070" intake and exhaust and I figured it to be about 1-1.5cc.