What is the most cost effective/smartest way to make 700+rwhp w/o FI or NOS?
06-21-2013, 12:00 PM
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you can get a 700+N/A Blue Print motor for like 11k with about another 2-3k put into your engine bay to make it fit and it runs on pump gas and drives just fine just like your motor does already LIKE I have been saying its easier to drive a BBC with that kinda power than it is a SBC. a 700+ N/A SBC Drive-ability sucks but a BBC 700+N/A is A LOT easier to drive! That goes for any SBC motors as well yea the 6.0L will fit no problem but you will have a damn hard time driving it and most likely not like it after a while thats why people put turbo's or S/C on them to make it easier to drive BBC can make that and drive just fine now if you was to make a 1000+BBC then yea its drive ability would be the same as a 700+ SBC just think about a stock long block 572 makes approx 700hp and drives just fine with MINOR work you could easily have well over 700RWHP no problem.
06-21-2013, 12:22 PM
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Man hook a 700 fwhp to a chassis/car and that translates to less than 600rwhp. At 15% driveline loss it will net you 595rwhp.
Guys step back to reality please.
Guys step back to reality please.
06-21-2013, 12:55 PM
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06-21-2013, 03:01 PM
#47
Alright guys...first of, thanks a lot for your inputs, appreciate it!
Ok...let me tell you where im at. As far as the block is concerned. My options are off production engines up until 2004: Example: LQ9/4. If there are better options than the LQx than plz do tell. Basically im going to be getting the block from the junkyard. I was all excited about the blocks on texasspeed till i saw how much shipping is going to cost, which is almost the price of the block. I would go with the LS2 but its not available here...hardly see anyone driving a car with one, let alone finding one at the junkyard. Engines prior to 2004 i could easily find though. I was asking about the LQ because as far as i know that seems to be the best option...unless i can use the GM 454 big block...(can i?).
So yeah, what should i go with?
Summary:
1. Goal is/was to make 700rwhp N/A in a DD. (im realizing its not feasable from all your replies. So im now asking what is feasable)
2. Car is a 2005 GTO with LS1 (i know '05s came with LS2 but but mine didnt)
3. Engine block options are production engines up until 04
4. Everything else (besides block) i could go aftermarket.
5. Plan on boosting the car later on...and going NOS
6. Ultimate goal is 1000+rwhp
7. Want to build the engine so that it could handle the boost and spraying.
8. Want to build it in a way that i wouldn't have to change anything in order to use FI and NOS.
Basically i want to enjoy a very powerful N/A car now and boost it later.
Are my goals realistic?? If not then plz do suggest a more realistic goal. If it is then plz do tell how i can achieve it considering my above options.
Ok...let me tell you where im at. As far as the block is concerned. My options are off production engines up until 2004: Example: LQ9/4. If there are better options than the LQx than plz do tell. Basically im going to be getting the block from the junkyard. I was all excited about the blocks on texasspeed till i saw how much shipping is going to cost, which is almost the price of the block. I would go with the LS2 but its not available here...hardly see anyone driving a car with one, let alone finding one at the junkyard. Engines prior to 2004 i could easily find though. I was asking about the LQ because as far as i know that seems to be the best option...unless i can use the GM 454 big block...(can i?).
So yeah, what should i go with?
Summary:
1. Goal is/was to make 700rwhp N/A in a DD. (im realizing its not feasable from all your replies. So im now asking what is feasable)
2. Car is a 2005 GTO with LS1 (i know '05s came with LS2 but but mine didnt)
3. Engine block options are production engines up until 04
4. Everything else (besides block) i could go aftermarket.
5. Plan on boosting the car later on...and going NOS
6. Ultimate goal is 1000+rwhp
7. Want to build the engine so that it could handle the boost and spraying.
8. Want to build it in a way that i wouldn't have to change anything in order to use FI and NOS.
Basically i want to enjoy a very powerful N/A car now and boost it later.
Are my goals realistic?? If not then plz do suggest a more realistic goal. If it is then plz do tell how i can achieve it considering my above options.
Last edited by Freefallin; 06-21-2013 at 03:44 PM.
06-21-2013, 04:03 PM
#51
Its called a Chevy Lumina here...a Pontiac GTO back in the states. Same car, different name.
I guess 05s were exported with the LS1 instead of the LS2...and a chevy badge instead of Pontiac.
06-21-2013, 04:43 PM
#55
That explains it.
Btw, you need to set a budget. Then figure out what you can do within that budget (and guess what, you'll exceed that budget).
700rwhp will take some cash either way. Easiest way to make power would be to get a 6L block, bored .030" over, forged internals, and an F1 Procharger. Get some As Cast TFS 220 heads, a blower cam, and some headers. Call it a day. You'd hit 700rwhp all day long with that setup.
Hell, you could keep your LS1, forged pistons/rods, and a D1 Procharger would get you pretty close to 700rwhp, especially considering you have 98 octane there. Might want to consider going with the 6L block and bigger blower - allows for some growth later on... 800rwhp would be possible with that setup.
Btw, you need to set a budget. Then figure out what you can do within that budget (and guess what, you'll exceed that budget).
700rwhp will take some cash either way. Easiest way to make power would be to get a 6L block, bored .030" over, forged internals, and an F1 Procharger. Get some As Cast TFS 220 heads, a blower cam, and some headers. Call it a day. You'd hit 700rwhp all day long with that setup.
Hell, you could keep your LS1, forged pistons/rods, and a D1 Procharger would get you pretty close to 700rwhp, especially considering you have 98 octane there. Might want to consider going with the 6L block and bigger blower - allows for some growth later on... 800rwhp would be possible with that setup.
06-21-2013, 04:55 PM
#56
That explains it.
Btw, you need to set a budget. Then figure out what you can do within that budget (and guess what, you'll exceed that budget).
700rwhp will take some cash either way. Easiest way to make power would be to get a 6L block, bored .030" over, forged internals, and an F1 Procharger. Get some As Cast TFS 220 heads, a blower cam, and some headers. Call it a day. You'd hit 700rwhp all day long with that setup.
Hell, you could keep your LS1, forged pistons/rods, and a D1 Procharger would get you pretty close to 700rwhp, especially considering you have 98 octane there. Might want to consider going with the 6L block and bigger blower - allows for some growth later on... 800rwhp would be possible with that setup.
Btw, you need to set a budget. Then figure out what you can do within that budget (and guess what, you'll exceed that budget).
700rwhp will take some cash either way. Easiest way to make power would be to get a 6L block, bored .030" over, forged internals, and an F1 Procharger. Get some As Cast TFS 220 heads, a blower cam, and some headers. Call it a day. You'd hit 700rwhp all day long with that setup.
Hell, you could keep your LS1, forged pistons/rods, and a D1 Procharger would get you pretty close to 700rwhp, especially considering you have 98 octane there. Might want to consider going with the 6L block and bigger blower - allows for some growth later on... 800rwhp would be possible with that setup.
If 700 is not realistic....then what is the most i can make with a...lets say LQ9 408 (Again, im saying LQ9 408 because i haven't been suggested a better production block that was built before 2004).
06-21-2013, 04:56 PM
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I think the problem you will run into is building an N/A motor and trying to boost it later. From my limited knowledge base, the parts you use to make a lot of power N/A are not necessarily the same parts you would use to make big power with a blower.
I'm sure someone will be along shortly to correct me if I am wrong.
I'm sure someone will be along shortly to correct me if I am wrong.
06-21-2013, 05:17 PM
#59
ahhh...im guessing you were in Aramco. Im in Ryiadh...im about the only gearhead (or aspiring to be) from the expat community. Almost the entire expat community here is either driving a Toyota or a pre 90s suv/4x4.
06-21-2013, 05:26 PM
#60
A 370 with an F1R can hit 800 now. Change the head unit later to an F2 or F3 or something and you could take aim at 1000.
You're going to need to invest your money into a boosted engine to begin with. It'll cost a fortune for an NA engine then tearing it down and reconfiguring it for boost. You'll almost have to build it twice.
Thus, the reason for a budget and a plan of action going forward.
You're going to need to invest your money into a boosted engine to begin with. It'll cost a fortune for an NA engine then tearing it down and reconfiguring it for boost. You'll almost have to build it twice.
Thus, the reason for a budget and a plan of action going forward.