PREDATOR-Z

Just like it says.

Thanks

KGSloan

WTF is this??? are you just trying to start crap?

this isn't even the correct forum...

x phantom x

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heads = internal section.

SPANKY LS1

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4...3...2...1...lock

foff667

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fwiw ive had no problems in about 1000 hard driven miles

PREDATOR-Z

Why lock? just move it to internal.
Don't want to start any crap!
just want to see what my odds are against? My every penny counts for my summer project. Patriot's input and help is awsome! But no parts are fail proof.
I know they had some spring issues last year, but that was fixed.
I would like to get LS6's but I can't dish out $3200 for stage 2's (including core)
$1795 is a killer deal, but I'm sure there are risks.
This is tech, good and bad. Darn sounds like wedding vows

Smitty

search button dude

Beast96Z

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Spring problems were fixed long ago. Patriot new "gold" springs are one of the best on the market now days.
The valve seals they use are now VITON brand. The best in my opinion.
They now use super 7 locks and retainers along with titanium spring seats. One of the best lock/retainer systems on the market.
The valves are made bt REV, a pretty good company. If you like you can get the Ferrera valves as an option.
That should about cover all the parts of the head. I don't see where any problems should arise.

SPANKY LS1

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There were some issues earlier this year, but those seem to have been corrected and were relatively isolated. First of all, the $1795 Patriot LS6 style heads are not LS6 heads. You have to compare apples to apples when shopping for heads, and get past the clever marketing tactics. A $3200 real LS6 head that you describe would KILL the $1795 PP head (and most of the others mentioned in this thread for that matter). Most good ported 5.7/5.3/4.8 heads flow about the same as the PP "LS6"s do. For that $1795, you have a ton of choices. APE, AS, TEA, MTI, and FFHP all have good ported heads in the ~$1700 or less range. Not saying anything is wrong with the PP heads, just don't get hung up on a $1700 "LS6" head being better than a $1700 LS1 head. It also depends on what cam you are going with. Go with a package, not just some heads and a cam randomely pieced together. There are many $1500 H/C packages that outperform $3000+ H/C packages. Heads and cams need to compliment each other IMO. Call a head porter of your choice, and go with what they recommend, they will almost always know what is best for your needs and for what you want to accomplish.

BTW, the SEARCH button would have answered all of your quetions.

Good luck, Shawn

PREDATOR-Z

How about flow? are they consistant in their output?

SPANKY LS1

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Being a CNCed head, flow should be relatively consistent.

PREDATOR-Z

Shoot, I didn't know that!!!! Now it makes more sense to me.

Thanks Spanky.

Beast96Z

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They still might as well be LS-6's. They are 6.0 heads that have the chambers welde up and then they are sent to Cannfield to be heat treated. They are then returned to Patriot and have the chambers cut to what ever size you like. Most get the 59cc chamber for the increase in compression. In my opinion, you are now one step ahead of a LS-6 head due to the compression bump. 6.0 and LS-6 heads start life with the exact same port so I don't see how Spanky can say that a true LS-6 head could be better. If Patriot ran the same program on a LS-6 head, it should produce the same number.

CamaroCain

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no problems here

SPANKY LS1

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My point was that he was comparing a $1800 304 CFM "LS6 style" head to a $3200 330+ CFM LS6 head. Nothing wrong with the PP head, just need to compare apples to apples. Look around at S2 LS6 heads from AS, TEA, Cartek, MTI, and others. PP is 20-40 CFM behind all of them (Not anything against Patriot, just starting with a lesser core).

Below, see flow charts from a stock LS6 head and a stock 6.0 head. The LS6 outflows the 6.0 by a signifigant margain. This is, IMO, why PP LS6 heads flow 20-40CFM less than real S2 LS6 heads. PP could probably do the same with a set of real LS6 cores, but then their heads would cost the same as everybody elses, and they couldn't sell people who don't know any better a 6.0 head and call it an LS6 head.





Shawn

Mike98WS6

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I have almost 1,000 miles on my PP 5.3's no problems here.

chetyg

i have stg 2 ls6 style heads only problem i had was the valve seals but that was when they had the teflon seals in them i have since installed the vitcon seals and no problems!!! patriot has an excellent product and great costumer service

gomer

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My LS6 "STYLE" heads have made more HP than most anybody else would hope to achive. 474rwhp 422rwtq with a FMS FM13 cam and a mail order tune. I didn't pay but $1,700 for them, so that means I can spend another $1,500 on my car that a guy who spent the extra money on "REAL" LS6 heads couldn't spend. I don't see the benefit of the extra cash on the other heads.. hell, show me the cars over 470rwhp using real LS6 heads besides Rapid's car that has a 90mm LSX intake, TB, and MUCH larger cam than me.

Btw.. I had a problem with the very first set of patriot 5.3's I had almost two years ago with a defective valve. The problem was with the valve maker and not patriot.. but they still replaced the entire set of heads without a question. Since then I have bought several more sets of heads from them for myself and to install on other people's cars and have not had a single problem. I wouldn't hesitate one second in buying a set of their current production heads.

Ron@Vengeance

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Gomer, Damian is making over 470rwhp through an 8.8 with 5.3 heads


I know, I know... Im a smartass

I have quite a bit of experience with Patriot heads, good and bad. Im not going to discuss it publicly either way since Im a "known basher" feel free to PM me with any questions/concerns you may have.

gomer

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I know that.. but they were hand finished 5.3 heads while my heads didn't have any hand work on them. I'll be the first to admit Damian has a bad *** car and I'll never take nothing away from it, as I have loads of respect for what he has done.. I know how much work it takes to get those kinds of numbers. As far as I know, Damian and myself are the only two people to dyno over 470rwhp with "home built 346 combo's" everyone else has a shop installed and dyno'd package. I'll just state my numbers thru 4.10's and let anyone else that can match them with a head that cost under $1,800 post up.

Btw.. you know us southern guys always have the dyno queens
I still owe you some wings and beer