450rwhp?
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Nice Cam + Full Exhaust + Bigger injectors + 150 shot + tune + drag radials = 500+rwhp.
Might as well run a standalone fuel system while you're saving all that head and intake manifold money.
Might as well run a standalone fuel system while you're saving all that head and intake manifold money.
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dr_whigham
were these the injectors you were talking about?
http://www.fuelairspark.com/fas/8-36...injectorshtml/
Should have a list of parts ready to go by tomorrow, have them posted up for review then.
were these the injectors you were talking about?
http://www.fuelairspark.com/fas/8-36...injectorshtml/
Should have a list of parts ready to go by tomorrow, have them posted up for review then.
450rwhp?
Originally Posted by alfablue
dr_whigham
were these the injectors you were talking about?
http://www.fuelairspark.com/fas/8-36...injectorshtml/
Should have a list of parts ready to go by tomorrow, have them posted up for review then.
were these the injectors you were talking about?
http://www.fuelairspark.com/fas/8-36...injectorshtml/
Should have a list of parts ready to go by tomorrow, have them posted up for review then.
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oh **** you did haha. My bad. I'll take a look around and see what I can find.
Anyway, here's what I've got:
Clevite bearings
Scat 6.125 rods
Wiseco pistons
ARH 205 heads (gonna get them milled to about 11.2 cr)
btr platinum springs
fast 92/92
still need to talk to Tony Mamo about a cam
stock rockers w/ trunion
ported ls6 pump
Monster stg 2 single disc
anything else?
Anyway, here's what I've got:
Clevite bearings
Scat 6.125 rods
Wiseco pistons
ARH 205 heads (gonna get them milled to about 11.2 cr)
btr platinum springs
fast 92/92
still need to talk to Tony Mamo about a cam
stock rockers w/ trunion
ported ls6 pump
Monster stg 2 single disc
anything else?
check these out
http://granatellimotorsports.com/ind...parent=24&pg=1
im looking to add these just a wire upgrade gives 15whp
http://granatellimotorsports.com/ind...parent=24&pg=1
im looking to add these just a wire upgrade gives 15whp
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Staging Lane
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check these out
http://granatellimotorsports.com/ind...parent=24&pg=1
im looking to add these just a wire upgrade gives 15whp
http://granatellimotorsports.com/ind...parent=24&pg=1
im looking to add these just a wire upgrade gives 15whp
450rwhp?
Originally Posted by TyCZ28
Seen the MS4, Fast 92/92 and 2.5 5. heads do more than 450rwhp numerous times
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From: Leander TX
Im a firm believer that drivability is all in the tune.. A poor tuner can make a baby cam drive bad and a good tuner can make a monster cam drive smooth. My cam is a quite large cam and drives super smooth.
I have a cam thats between a MS3 & MS4 with PRC 5.3 heads and a Fast 92 on a 6.0. I can't imagine I'm any more than 450 rwhp to be honest, but it does run strong. Even with this combo I wouldn't want a cam that was much bigger when it comes to general drivability
^^^^There is truth to that. I cringe when I see people pick a cam for sound. That can be tuned. You can cut the idle speed and timing on a stock cam to get it to shake the car if you want. A bigger cam can be tamed.
That said, I also tend to think some of these cars are over-cammed. You reach a point of diminishing returns. And eventually, you reach a tipping point where if you can't take advantage of the larger cam (rpms, supporting mods) you actually lose power where you need it. Like my cam, I would consider a medium cam - 227/236. I could throw in a larger cam to get maybe 10-15 more HP, or I could replace the budget ported heads with heads that have far better low lift flow and take better advantage of the cam.
DR's point is very valid - you don't NEED the MS4 or similar to hit 450. Of course it'll do it, but you can do it on a milder cam with a broader torque curve. And he stated that with his driving preference. Some people love driving the polluter, which is a pretty big cam.
The most important factor is how the OP wants it to drive and act.
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That said, I also tend to think some of these cars are over-cammed. You reach a point of diminishing returns. And eventually, you reach a tipping point where if you can't take advantage of the larger cam (rpms, supporting mods) you actually lose power where you need it. Like my cam, I would consider a medium cam - 227/236. I could throw in a larger cam to get maybe 10-15 more HP, or I could replace the budget ported heads with heads that have far better low lift flow and take better advantage of the cam.
DR's point is very valid - you don't NEED the MS4 or similar to hit 450. Of course it'll do it, but you can do it on a milder cam with a broader torque curve. And he stated that with his driving preference. Some people love driving the polluter, which is a pretty big cam.
The most important factor is how the OP wants it to drive and act.
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From: Leander TX
And i agree with that. id consider the T-Rex, Polluter and MS4 a max effort cam were as the Torquer 2 and 4 and say most cams in the 230's range id consider a medium cam.
Alot of people would be just fine with the 228R but not every 228r cam out there is pushing 450+rwhp
Example of 2 cars ive built recently
2002ss 1 3/4 headers light ported ls6 heads ls6 intake 228/234 cam made 400/390
2000 T/A 1 7/8 headers 2.6 ls6 heads ls6 intake MS4 made 460/420
Alot of people would be just fine with the 228R but not every 228r cam out there is pushing 450+rwhp
Example of 2 cars ive built recently
2002ss 1 3/4 headers light ported ls6 heads ls6 intake 228/234 cam made 400/390
2000 T/A 1 7/8 headers 2.6 ls6 heads ls6 intake MS4 made 460/420
I made 459 to the tire with the timing backed down for a 200 hit. N/A through a th 400 and 12 bolt with ls1 cathedral port heads MTI reworked them and a vindicator cam shaft. Both of witch are for sale.
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From: Coast of San Mateo County Between Pacifica & HMB
Has been done a few times in the past.
5.7 expensive with allot of attention to details including light clutch
And wheels/tires.
6.0 easier.
6.2 much easier.
Heads are better, Intake Manifolds are better/bigger, cams,springs,lifters,
are better. Still an expensive proposition with 5.7, M6 ~20 horses easier
Then autos.
What are you starting with and what is your goal/application?
Also search is your friend!
There is a very long thread about "RECIPE for 500RWHP"
5.7 expensive with allot of attention to details including light clutch
And wheels/tires.
6.0 easier.
6.2 much easier.
Heads are better, Intake Manifolds are better/bigger, cams,springs,lifters,
are better. Still an expensive proposition with 5.7, M6 ~20 horses easier
Then autos.
What are you starting with and what is your goal/application?
Also search is your friend!
There is a very long thread about "RECIPE for 500RWHP"
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Staging Lane
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Yeah sorry, I found that thread almost immediately after I made this post lol.
Considering the amount of work involved and my budget, I figure I'll just stay with my goal of 450.
At the moment, aside from a catback and an SLP lid, my car is bone stock.
Considering the amount of work involved and my budget, I figure I'll just stay with my goal of 450.
At the moment, aside from a catback and an SLP lid, my car is bone stock.
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Staging Lane
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Also, this is probably a silly question (and the wrong forum, I'll put up a topic there if necessary) but I'm planning my bolt-ons at the same time.
I was planning on a set of pacesetter 1-7/8"s with either TSPs y-pipe, or a custom one with a flowmaster merge. At this much hp, am I going to see any kind of restriction sticking with the single pipe setup? (Catback is a Magnaflow, btw)
I was planning on a set of pacesetter 1-7/8"s with either TSPs y-pipe, or a custom one with a flowmaster merge. At this much hp, am I going to see any kind of restriction sticking with the single pipe setup? (Catback is a Magnaflow, btw)