Generation III Internal Engine 1997-2006 LS1 | LS6
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Lq4 build

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 25, 2018 | 12:24 PM
  #1  
70_velle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Staging Lane
 
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 95
Likes: 24
Default Lq4 build

Hi all, Im planning on building an lq4 for my 70 Chevelle. The motor is going to be NA at least for a good portion of its life and I want to make a good amount of horsepower (500+). Would I be better off stroking the motor or leaving it and just cleaning it up a little? Which route is cheaper and more durable? Any tips and advice would be much appreciated
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2018 | 12:58 PM
  #2  
Che70velle's Avatar
ModSquad
10 Year Member
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 7,802
Likes: 5,135
From: Dawsonville Ga.
Default

What kind of budget do you have? I feel that a stroker is a great way to go, as long as your not planning 8k rpm blasts.
Are you planning to go EFI, or carb?
500 hp at the crank is relatively easy with 6liter setup.
Where are you located?
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2018 | 01:05 PM
  #3  
70_velle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Staging Lane
 
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 95
Likes: 24
Default

Originally Posted by Che70velle
What kind of budget do you have? I feel that a stroker is a great way to go, as long as your not planning 8k rpm blasts.
Are you planning to go EFI, or carb?
500 hp at the crank is relatively easy with 6liter setup.
Where are you located?
I havent really decided on a budget yet lol, Im planning to go carb but Im open to efi if it means I can meat my goals with les money put into the project. 500 at the crank is roughly what at the wheels? And Im in Nova Scotia Canada
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2018 | 01:17 PM
  #4  
Che70velle's Avatar
ModSquad
10 Year Member
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 7,802
Likes: 5,135
From: Dawsonville Ga.
Default

Originally Posted by 70_velle

I haven’t really decided on a budget yet lol, I’m planning to go carb but I’m open to efi if it means I can meat my goals with les money put into the project. 500 at the crank is roughly what at the wheels? And I’m in Nova Scotia Canada
You’ll save a little coin going carb, just on the fuel system, but man is efi nice to have for reliability and tuning. 500 crank is low 400’s with a manual trans, and depending on the particular automatic, 375-400.
Unless you’ve got an open checkbook, id figure up a budget before you start the process. I’ve seen many, many guys start an ambitious build, only to get in over there head financially, and end up giving the project away for pennies on the dollar.
Try to find a pullout engine with the harness intact, ECM, etc, and you’ll be money ahead. You can put the fuel system together for a few hundred more, depending on if you want pump in tank, or in-line.

Last edited by Che70velle; Aug 25, 2018 at 01:17 PM. Reason: spellcheck...
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2018 | 01:19 PM
  #5  
Che70velle's Avatar
ModSquad
10 Year Member
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 7,802
Likes: 5,135
From: Dawsonville Ga.
Default

Check out the conversion section on here. There are metric tons of builds to study up on...
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2018 | 01:25 PM
  #6  
70_velle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Staging Lane
 
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 95
Likes: 24
Default

Originally Posted by Che70velle


Youll save a little coin going carb, just on the fuel system, but man is efi nice to have for reliability and tuning. 500 crank is low 400s with a manual trans, and depending on the particular automatic, 375-400.
Unless youve got an open checkbook, id figure up a budget before you start the process. Ive seen many, many guys start an ambitious build, only to get in over there head financially, and end up giving the project away for pennies on the dollar.
Try to find a pullout engine with the harness intact, ECM, etc, and youll be money ahead. You can put the fuel system together for a few hundred more, depending on if you want pump in tank, or in-line.
I was hoping to get closer to 500 at the wheels, its an automatic likely a 4l80e and I guess if I had to decide Id like to be in the 5000$ range. On a side note you have a beautiful build going on!
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2018 | 01:34 PM
  #7  
70_velle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Staging Lane
 
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 95
Likes: 24
Default

I will say though that budget isnt a huge priority as I have a running motor in the car that works well so Im not in a big rush to build this motor, if its going to cost a lot to get what I want Ill just buy the parts as the funds are available
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2018 | 02:40 PM
  #8  
tech@WS6store's Avatar
LS1Tech Premium Sponsor
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 4,670
Likes: 250
Default

Youre really going to need a 408 for that and a good set of heads for 500rwhp.

I would recommend the tsp 237cc cathedral or 260cc ls3 heads, a nice 408 flat top setup and a good sized cam and youll be in the 500rwhp easily. it will take alot more effort to make 500 on a 6.0 but nearly the same amount of money really.

We have all those parts available
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2018 | 05:44 PM
  #9  
70_velle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Staging Lane
 
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 95
Likes: 24
Default

Originally Posted by tech@WS6store
Youre really going to need a 408 for that and a good set of heads for 500rwhp.

I would recommend the tsp 237cc cathedral or 260cc ls3 heads, a nice 408 flat top setup and a good sized cam and youll be in the 500rwhp easily. it will take alot more effort to make 500 on a 6.0 but nearly the same amount of money really.

We have all those parts available
can you give me a ball park price if I went 408 for everything
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2018 | 05:50 PM
  #10  
tech@WS6store's Avatar
LS1Tech Premium Sponsor
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 4,670
Likes: 250
Default

Originally Posted by 70_velle

can you give me a ball park price if I went 408 for everything
408 balanced with bearings runs about $2720.
Heads and cam are roughly $2950.
So 6k roughly for a complete setup gaskets and all.
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2018 | 06:00 PM
  #11  
70_velle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Staging Lane
 
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 95
Likes: 24
Default

Originally Posted by tech@WS6store
408 balanced with bearings runs about $2720.
Heads and cam are roughly $2950.
So 6k roughly for a complete setup gaskets and all.
awesome! Thanks
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2018 | 06:16 PM
  #12  
Tuskyz28's Avatar
TECH Veteran
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 4,891
Likes: 703
From: Mississippi
Default

TFS 220s for the heads.... why play around ?
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2018 | 06:18 PM
  #13  
tech@WS6store's Avatar
LS1Tech Premium Sponsor
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 4,670
Likes: 250
Default

Because 220cc is small for a 408 and the tsp 237s well outflow them.
The 225 tsp are close but edge em out also but still small for a 408.
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2018 | 07:08 PM
  #14  
70_velle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Staging Lane
 
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 95
Likes: 24
Default

Originally Posted by tech@WS6store
Because 220cc is small for a 408 and the tsp 237s well outflow them.
The 225 tsp are close but edge em out also but still small for a 408.
would the 260cc ls3 heads be just as good as the 237s? Just did a little looking and they seem cheaper
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2018 | 07:18 PM
  #15  
tech@WS6store's Avatar
LS1Tech Premium Sponsor
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 4,670
Likes: 250
Default

They are the same price plus need new rockers and rails. They are also $150ish more than the 237s.
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2018 | 07:27 PM
  #16  
70_velle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Staging Lane
 
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 95
Likes: 24
Default

Originally Posted by tech@WS6store
They are the same price plus need new rockers and rails. They are also $150ish more than the 237s.
above you said 408 balances with bearings is 2700 is that for a new block or an estimate on what the machine work would cost?
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2018 | 07:31 PM
  #17  
tech@WS6store's Avatar
LS1Tech Premium Sponsor
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 4,670
Likes: 250
Default

Originally Posted by 70_velle

above you said 408 balances with bearings is 2700 is that for a new block or an estimate on what the machine work would cost?
Thats just 408 rotating assy balanced with bearings.
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2018 | 07:35 PM
  #18  
tech@WS6store's Avatar
LS1Tech Premium Sponsor
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 4,670
Likes: 250
Default

But i meant $2550 sorry not 2700. Thats for pin upgrade.
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2018 | 07:40 PM
  #19  
70_velle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Staging Lane
 
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 95
Likes: 24
Default

Originally Posted by tech@WS6store
But i meant $2550 sorry not 2700. Thats for pin upgrade.
ok, thanks a lot for all the information!
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2018 | 07:46 PM
  #20  
Tuskyz28's Avatar
TECH Veteran
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 4,891
Likes: 703
From: Mississippi
Default

Misread the thread. OP went from 6.0 to a stroker build. I say TFS 235s. They made my boy car run low 10s at 133 with slouchy 60ft. Also made 550 on a mustang dyno at the rear wheels on a 402 LS2 motor.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:22 PM.