Had to go 0.065 over LQ4 6.0 block =11:1cr 376" for less than $1000 all day build
03-01-2020, 09:43 PM
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No you repeated something that I said.
I'm referring to these big elaborate build threads. Who gives a ****, but it makes the build thread starter feel like they're doing something special.
Why is there a need to post pictures of parts neatly displayed? A step by step of NOT heres how you do this, but look what I can do. I can turn a wrench, I can turn a handle to a number on my brand new snap on torque wrench that cost me $800 and I'm never going to use it again, I can't figure out when to stop it just beeps lol.
Theres no dick swinging here, people are disappointed.
I'm referring to these big elaborate build threads. Who gives a ****, but it makes the build thread starter feel like they're doing something special.
Why is there a need to post pictures of parts neatly displayed? A step by step of NOT heres how you do this, but look what I can do. I can turn a wrench, I can turn a handle to a number on my brand new snap on torque wrench that cost me $800 and I'm never going to use it again, I can't figure out when to stop it just beeps lol.
Theres no dick swinging here, people are disappointed.
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03-02-2020, 06:13 AM
#102
Boy are we off topic here. But while we’re here...you don’t like any of the high end builds? I must say your the first person I’ve ever met who dislikes this stuff. Everyone but you likes pictures of shiny new expensive parts, neatly displayed. I only paid $150 for my SnapOn digital torque wrench. I got it used from a motorcycle mechanic getting out of the business. I use it all the time actually. But I did pay full price for my Mitutoyo instruments, which were way more than the other guys SnapOn torque wrench.
I've got all of my dads tools from when he was a motorcycle mechanic, he's no longer around, but I have six torque wrenches. And a Kowa spark plug socket set, seems like this thing was made for LS1 cars. Yea, kind of off topic.
03-02-2020, 06:39 AM
#103
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Did you have it calibrated? Did the guy put it away loaded after each use?
I've got all of my dads tools from when he was a motorcycle mechanic, he's no longer around, but I have six torque wrenches. And a Kowa spark plug socket set, seems like this thing was made for LS1 cars. Yea, kind of off topic.
I've got all of my dads tools from when he was a motorcycle mechanic, he's no longer around, but I have six torque wrenches. And a Kowa spark plug socket set, seems like this thing was made for LS1 cars. Yea, kind of off topic.
The truth about torque wrenches is it really doesn’t matter if it’s off a couple percent, from a calibration standpoint. What your trying to do is make sure the cylinder head, or the cap...or whatever your torquing with multiple fasteners...your trying to make sure that the fasteners all have the same torque. If the fastener calls for 60 ft lbs, and you torque them all to 58 ft lbs...or 63 ft lbs...it’s fine. The fasteners are designed with overage in mind. So an uncalibrated torque wrench is ok for 99% of all internal engine work. Torque to yield fasteners are different, in that they are designed to quickly stress away or stretch after yield is reached. An angle gauge or careful marking of the TTY fastener is very important.
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03-02-2020, 11:49 AM
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No.
Were you standing next to this guy during the build, NOPE. Have you been to his house, NOPE. Do you know him personally, NOPE.
How do you know he didn't use a $1500 torque wrench and torque angle gauge? This guy could own a machine shop and build 1800 hp ls's all day for all you know.
I guess people need to mention that they're an engineer, or they're an ASE Master certified tech to gain credibility. What do you want to see, this guy with his torque wrench and torque angle gauge? Oh and his ASE Certified work shirt patch.
I built many engines from the ground up before the internet, it wasn't til recently someone asked "where's your build thread" Like I didn't really build this engine myself, because why would I not post a build thread, what is wrong with you......
Everyone else is swinging their dicks like Look what I can do.
In the big picture of life do you really think a person that builds an engine (properly or improperly) is special? Are we looked upon as being geniuses? (or ANYTHING) No. Especially in todays world where people are turning against "us" because we're polluting the earth.
If anyone gives a **** it's all about shiney paint and a body that was expensive when it was new or is now a classic. Even then does the general public care if ANYTHING was tightened with a torque wrench? NOPE. No one's ever asked me that at a car show or at a gas station when asking about "whats in that thing" . Jesus Christ do you know how many times people have come up to my S10 and asked if I swapped the engine or do I just have a loud muffler on it. Do you think they know what a torque angle gauge is? NOPE.
We are nothing no matter how shiney our engine and tools are.
Heres my four cylinder s10 with that special loud muffler.
https://youtu.be/-yCMuFjKyTk
Were you standing next to this guy during the build, NOPE. Have you been to his house, NOPE. Do you know him personally, NOPE.
How do you know he didn't use a $1500 torque wrench and torque angle gauge? This guy could own a machine shop and build 1800 hp ls's all day for all you know.
I guess people need to mention that they're an engineer, or they're an ASE Master certified tech to gain credibility. What do you want to see, this guy with his torque wrench and torque angle gauge? Oh and his ASE Certified work shirt patch.
I built many engines from the ground up before the internet, it wasn't til recently someone asked "where's your build thread" Like I didn't really build this engine myself, because why would I not post a build thread, what is wrong with you......
Everyone else is swinging their dicks like Look what I can do.
In the big picture of life do you really think a person that builds an engine (properly or improperly) is special? Are we looked upon as being geniuses? (or ANYTHING) No. Especially in todays world where people are turning against "us" because we're polluting the earth.
If anyone gives a **** it's all about shiney paint and a body that was expensive when it was new or is now a classic. Even then does the general public care if ANYTHING was tightened with a torque wrench? NOPE. No one's ever asked me that at a car show or at a gas station when asking about "whats in that thing" . Jesus Christ do you know how many times people have come up to my S10 and asked if I swapped the engine or do I just have a loud muffler on it. Do you think they know what a torque angle gauge is? NOPE.
We are nothing no matter how shiney our engine and tools are.
Heres my four cylinder s10 with that special loud muffler.
https://youtu.be/-yCMuFjKyTk
If you did the smallest amount of reading you wouldn't have your whole foot in your mouth
The OP said HE DOES HAVE a torque wrench and does not use it. I'm cool with not using one to tighten your wheels, but on rod bolts and head bolts... it's sitting right there and you purposely do not use it?
Also stated he does not have a tq angle gauge and "didn't have the time to make a dot on the bolt to turn it to angle" and that he can trust himself with turning bolts to 90 degrees. Okay, probably close enough, but why not take what, 2 seconds, to make a mark if for nothing else peace of mind?
He said he was a parts changer at shops when he was in college, an army heavy wheel mechanic and now has a degree in psychology. He knows his way around a wrench but this so called LS specialist you're talking about.. no
I don't care about any of that, you can still get a job done when you aren't all those things mentioned. And he did. And I congratulated him.
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03-02-2020, 12:08 PM
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I am new and inexperienced to engines, I'm doing my first engine build, I'm about to put my first set of heads on ever, is it ok not to use a torque wrench?
I'm guessing from most of what I've read here I should use one?
I'm guessing from most of what I've read here I should use one?
03-02-2020, 12:54 PM
#107
If you did the smallest amount of reading you wouldn't have your whole foot in your mouth
The OP said HE DOES HAVE a torque wrench and does not use it. I'm cool with not using one to tighten your wheels, but on rod bolts and head bolts... it's sitting right there and you purposely do not use it?
Also stated he does not have a tq angle gauge and "didn't have the time to make a dot on the bolt to turn it to angle" and that he can trust himself with turning bolts to 90 degrees. Okay, probably close enough, but why not take what, 2 seconds, to make a mark if for nothing else peace of mind?
He said he was a parts changer at shops when he was in college, an army heavy wheel mechanic and now has a degree in psychology. He knows his way around a wrench but this so called LS specialist you're talking about.. no
I don't care about any of that, you can still get a job done when you aren't all those things mentioned. And he did. And I congratulated him.
The OP said HE DOES HAVE a torque wrench and does not use it. I'm cool with not using one to tighten your wheels, but on rod bolts and head bolts... it's sitting right there and you purposely do not use it?
Also stated he does not have a tq angle gauge and "didn't have the time to make a dot on the bolt to turn it to angle" and that he can trust himself with turning bolts to 90 degrees. Okay, probably close enough, but why not take what, 2 seconds, to make a mark if for nothing else peace of mind?
He said he was a parts changer at shops when he was in college, an army heavy wheel mechanic and now has a degree in psychology. He knows his way around a wrench but this so called LS specialist you're talking about.. no
I don't care about any of that, you can still get a job done when you aren't all those things mentioned. And he did. And I congratulated him.
03-02-2020, 01:12 PM
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I had no idea that sharing my stupid take on this hobby would end up here but oh well here is my tourqe wrench. It was probably $15 at harbor freight and it is a 3/8" drive little thing. I used this wrench only to snuggle down the rod bolts and main cap bolts before angling them so I suppose I did use for that, but I trust my hand more to get something tight enough, I just use a breaker bar on old rod bolts or new head bolts and just kinda visualize where my angle should stop
03-02-2020, 01:56 PM
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Also since you love to read and judge so much why don't you checkout my other threads because my other camaro, my Baddass beautifuly beat to **** cam only 5.7 LS1 2002 Z28 that I've been driving all These years, that I take really good care of, that I make memories in, it is way more better at everything than your stupid trans-am no matter how many boxes of new stuff you stack next to it that guy has a point there I think haha
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03-02-2020, 02:05 PM
#110
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You are putting all this on the forum and other less experienced people may follow your methods, I think it's important other people are allowed to comment, it's not just for you it's for other people who might try and copy you.
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03-02-2020, 02:22 PM
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And they will likely be very successful just like me if everything is clean and it spins fairly freely. I'm a believer in the hard break-in, it either breaks in or it doesn't. These things, if left mostly stock, are very hard to break so if there's a problem you'll know within the first couple heat cycles. I broke in the rings 3-4k rpm for 30 min with 5w30, drained the oil and filter, filled with 20w50 and then went and delivered with it all night still hot from bedding the rings (I planned it this way), hard city driving and idling for 10 hours straight,I left the tune super lean for first 1000 miles so the rings wouldn't glaze because it has to idle so much how it is used, I don't know what else to tell you
03-02-2020, 03:06 PM
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GM recommend 5w-30, I never used to be concerned about using the 20w-50 in mine either. But thinking about it wouldn't it be at least twice as thick or more as 5w-30 at cold temp? Arent you concerned about dry bearings on start up? Arent the rod bearings splash fed? How do you know the oil will even get into the rod bearings with factory GM clearances.?
03-02-2020, 03:07 PM
#113
THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THERE WAS NO INTERNET!!!!
Can you believe that ****?!!!!
The first time I used a torque wrench was after reading an old Motors Manual. My dad said, here take this, let me know if you have any questions or need any help. I read the procedure and use a torque wrench. The having a Dad thing is probably another shocker since the internet era people don't seem to have one of those.
Why wasn't my dad helping? I've been going to my uncles shop since I was 10, doing whatever I wanted to do in the junkyard he had. Learned how to weld, cut with a torch, fabricate, heli-coil threads, EVERYTHING. Thanks a lot to the guys who worked there who would just pull me to the side and say hey, I need you to drill and tap this and install this thread insert, here are the instructions. Thats just one small example. All before age 13.
I just can't understand how grown men these days can't do what I was doing before I was a teenager.
Do you really think someone's going to read this and not use the proper tools? Do you know that you can use the proper tool improperly? I know you can find a thread on this site where a guy needed inch pounds but used foot pounds and stripped threads. I've seen it here, on this site.
How do you help this guy? Who do you blame?
03-02-2020, 03:10 PM
#114
GM recommend 5w-30, I never used to be concerned about using the 20w-50 in mine either. But thinking about it wouldn't it be at least twice as thick or more as 5w-30 at cold temp? Arent you concerned about dry bearings on start up? Arent the rod bearings splash fed? How do you know the oil will even get into the rod bearings with factory GM clearances.?
Dry start? ******* oil commercials. I've taken engines apart that have sat well over 20 years and theres always oil on the bearings, enough to not damage it on start up.
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03-02-2020, 03:23 PM
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GM recommend 5w-30, I never used to be concerned about using the 20w-50 in mine either. But thinking about it wouldn't it be at least twice as thick or more as 5w-30 at cold temp? Arent you concerned about dry bearings on start up? Arent the rod bearings splash fed? How do you know the oil will even get into the rod bearings with factory GM clearances.?
03-02-2020, 03:23 PM
#116
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JaysSSZ28
Im not blaming anyone, I'm just simply saying its the decent thing to do if using methods not widely excepted just to put in a bit of a disclaimer just so someone with less experience doesn't make an expensive mistake.
For example he's sometimes not using a torque wrench, I can see how someone with quite a bit of experience could do this successfully, but what if someone who isn't so experienced tried this and it cost him dearly. Best to put in a word of caution.
I find you quite rude and hostile not just to me but to others on this forum.
Im not blaming anyone, I'm just simply saying its the decent thing to do if using methods not widely excepted just to put in a bit of a disclaimer just so someone with less experience doesn't make an expensive mistake.
For example he's sometimes not using a torque wrench, I can see how someone with quite a bit of experience could do this successfully, but what if someone who isn't so experienced tried this and it cost him dearly. Best to put in a word of caution.
I find you quite rude and hostile not just to me but to others on this forum.
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03-02-2020, 03:59 PM
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I'll be happy to type lengthy disclaimers before all of my future exploits if someone wants to sponsor me and foot the bill but I don't see that happening as I always just tell everyone not to buy anything because what they already have is probably fine. I like stock don't knock it reefer to post #1 Son
03-02-2020, 04:01 PM
#118
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I'll be happy to type lengthy disclaimers before all of my future exploits if someone wants to sponsor me and foot the bill but I don't see that happening as I always just tell everyone not to buy anything because what they already have is probably fine. I like stock don't knock it reefer to post #1 Son
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03-02-2020, 04:15 PM
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Everyone do yourselves a favor and click on "Threads started by G Atsma"
Have you ever done anything but regurgitate stuff you have just read elsewhere on this site or others? Do you own any wrenches? You have nothing to offer anyone here a simple search couldn't solve so Get over yourself
Have you ever done anything but regurgitate stuff you have just read elsewhere on this site or others? Do you own any wrenches? You have nothing to offer anyone here a simple search couldn't solve so Get over yourself
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03-02-2020, 04:24 PM
#120
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Everyone do yourselves a favor and click on "Threads started by G Atsma"
Have you ever done anything but regurgitate stuff you have just read elsewhere on this site or others? Do you own any wrenches? You have nothing to offer anyone here a simple search couldn't solve so Get over yourself
Have you ever done anything but regurgitate stuff you have just read elsewhere on this site or others? Do you own any wrenches? You have nothing to offer anyone here a simple search couldn't solve so Get over yourself
I've done various mods and engine swaps (non-GM, which is why you don't see them).
I only start a thread if the subject hasn't been broached already. No asking or telling what's been said, sometimes repeatedly.
I do own a fair set of tools that see regular use. Not that any of this is your business.
So take your attitude and slide it right up where the sun shineth not.
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