what balancer does a 408 stroker use?
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what balancer does a 408 stroker use?
I am looking at a car that supposedly has a 408 in it. Would it have an after market balancer for sure? He cant find paper work on engine, any other ways to tell what it is?
#2
LS engines are normally internally balanced.
On a 408 LS a stock dampener (aka harmonic balancer) could be used, an aftermarket one or aftermarket one with underdrive. Some folks like to use a stock harmonic balancer since strokers usually aren't spinning quite as high rpm etc.
Have a 25% UD ASP on my 383 and 10%UD ATI on my 416.
Here one of many different examples
On a 408 LS a stock dampener (aka harmonic balancer) could be used, an aftermarket one or aftermarket one with underdrive. Some folks like to use a stock harmonic balancer since strokers usually aren't spinning quite as high rpm etc.
Have a 25% UD ASP on my 383 and 10%UD ATI on my 416.
Here one of many different examples
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You could probably tell if it's underdriven by the length of the belt it's got if the markings are still visible or just by measuring the diameter of the pulley with a ruler. I think it's 7.5" stock, 6.78" for 10% underdrive and 5.5" for 25% underdrive.
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+2 on the ASP balancer. I have a 25% UD on mine. I will say that I don't recommend any 25% UD balancer if you live in/near frequent 100° daily temps, and/or do a lot of stop and go driving, especially with a stock radiator. I spend a lot of time in Florida, and they have a LOT of 3 minute red lights!! I also have a DeWitts radiator in my C5 Vette. If I ever do get another balancer, it'll probably be a 10% UD ASP. But 25% UD does give a marginal increase in power, and definitely must increase component life, because my 23 year old car still has the original A/C compressor, and alternator........
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Left me with the impression is in the serious professional engine builder world, ATI's products are regarded as superior at dampening harmonics to Fluidampr and that filtered down to the LS enthusiasts.
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Just don't run an ATI 10% UD balancer if you've got an LS7. Hib Halverson kept throwing his A/C belt on his C6 Z06. The ATI 10% UD balancer does NOT have a lip at the back end of the balancer, towards the engine, to help keep the belt on like the OEM balancer!!! When he pointed out this obvious shortcoming to ATI, they apparently told him to buzz off, although I think they spelled buzz starting with an "F", and followed by a uck. They flat told him they had no intentions of changing the design. Arrogant attitude, in my opinion. I have run an ASP since 2005. No thrown belts, or any issues at all. I'll stick with them.......
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Originally Posted by grinder11
Just don't run an ATI 10% UD balancer if you've got an LS7. Hib Halverson kept throwing his A/C belt on his C6 Z06. The ATI 10% UD balancer does NOT have a lip at the back end of the balancer, towards the engine, to help keep the belt on like the OEM balancer!!! When he pointed out this obvious shortcoming to ATI, they apparently told him to buzz off, although I think they spelled buzz starting with an "F", and followed by a uck. They flat told him they had no intentions of changing the design. Arrogant attitude, in my opinion. I have run an ASP since 2005. No thrown belts, or any issues at all. I'll stick with them.......
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Just don't run an ATI 10% UD balancer if you've got an LS7. Hib Halverson kept throwing his A/C belt on his C6 Z06. The ATI 10% UD balancer does NOT have a lip at the back end of the balancer, towards the engine, to help keep the belt on like the OEM balancer!!! When he pointed out this obvious shortcoming to ATI, they apparently told him to buzz off, although I think they spelled buzz starting with an "F", and followed by a uck. They flat told him they had no intentions of changing the design. Arrogant attitude, in my opinion. I have run an ASP since 2005. No thrown belts, or any issues at all. I'll stick with them.......
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I'm just going by the fact that their standard balancers have a lip, and I'm sure there's a reason for it. I agree they are of very high quality. What puzzles me is why ATI thinks the lip is beneficial on the standard balancer, but isn't of value on the UD? If the lip serves no purpose, ATI could save a bunch of money, and aluminum, by starting with a smaller diameter of aluminum round stock for the standard balancer, which would eliminate the lip. Food for thought; I once overreved my LS7, to at least 8,500+rpm. Never threw either belt, and this was with the original, 100,000+ miles OEM C5 Corvette tensioners. Just my experience and .02........
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I'm just going by the fact that their standard balancers have a lip, and I'm sure there's a reason for it. I agree they are of very high quality. What puzzles me is why ATI thinks the lip is beneficial on the standard balancer, but isn't of value on the UD? If the lip serves no purpose, ATI could save a bunch of money, and aluminum, by starting with a smaller diameter of aluminum round stock for the standard balancer, which would eliminate the lip. Food for thought; I once overreved my LS7, to at least 8,500+rpm. Never threw either belt, and this was with the original, 100,000+ miles OEM C5 Corvette tensioners. Just my experience and .02........
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Yes the outer “curb” is there. I’ve given this a lot of thought over the last year or so. In my mind, one could totally remove the outer lips because there are 4 grooves on the LS7 A/C dampener pulley that would keep the belt in place. I really don’t see why the outer curb is needed if the tensioner is doing it’s job. The belt would have to completely raise up off of the pulley surface to jump across the 4 grooves (which are plenty deep enough to keep a belt in line) and come off. That’s a tensioner issue. Harmonics will come into play somewhere in the rpm band, and cause the belt to shutter briefly under acceleration, (or deceleration) but again a tensioner doing its job properly would combat this, in my opinion. This is why Tony having ATI custom build a dampener with a taller curb is only a bandaid fix to the real issue at hand, but a fix is a fix, I suppose. The AC tensioner is very weak in comparison to a main belt tensioner, as I can almost pull them down by hand. Great discussion here.
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