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Old May 4, 2005 | 08:29 PM
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Did allot of yall swap out your lifters when doing heads? How many miles were on them and the what shape were they in?
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Old May 4, 2005 | 08:33 PM
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I didn't swap mine at 20K, and I had a needle bearing failure (they leaked everywhere) which then destroyed my engine. It was a freak problem, but for $200 I'd recommend that anyone replace them so they won't have to go through what I did.

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Did allot of yall swap out your lifters when doing heads? How many miles were on them and the what shape were they in?
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Old May 5, 2005 | 11:43 AM
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I replaced mine just for peace of mind. Just ordered the comp 850's
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Old May 5, 2005 | 12:00 PM
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I'll be swapping my lifters out for Morels the same time I do heads...
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Old May 5, 2005 | 12:04 PM
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I'm getting ready to switch heads & a new cam. A I'm doing new lifters also, maybe some comp "R" series lifters. Car has 40K on it. Cheap insurance I think!
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Anyone that is taking the heads off should be sure to inspect the lifter guides to see if they are holding the lifters straight. Some of them hold the lifters crooked, and that can lead to a lifter turning, which wippes out both the lifter and the cam. New lifter guides wouldn't be a bad idea anyway; you're asking a lot from a piece of plastic to hold a lifter at 7000 rpm and higher than stock lift.
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Old May 5, 2005 | 06:54 PM
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I bought morrels for mine also.
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Old May 6, 2005 | 04:01 AM
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i used stock lifters on my setup, had about 34k on em. people run stock lifters with way bigger cams than me. but a set of comp 850's wouldnt hurt, but stockers are about the equivalent piece imo. ive never heard anything about messed up lifter bores though, and the lifter cups arent the greatest, but your higher lift cam if only increasing hte lift on the lift a fraction of an inch. id maybe just drill them to keep the oil out of em.
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When I took my stockers 241's to portmatch them (int/exh) and to run them with a Cometic .045 for better quench and a little more SCR, I figured WTF and went ahead with a set of Comp 850-16's. I had 40K on the stockers.
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Originally Posted by Cal
Anyone that is taking the heads off should be sure to inspect the lifter guides to see if they are holding the lifters straight. Some of them hold the lifters crooked, and that can lead to a lifter turning, which wippes out both the lifter and the cam. New lifter guides wouldn't be a bad idea anyway; you're asking a lot from a piece of plastic to hold a lifter at 7000 rpm and higher than stock lift.
Were can you get a new lifter guide and how much are they?
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GM dealers. Cost???
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Old May 7, 2005 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
When I took my stockers 241's to portmatch them (int/exh) and to run them with a Cometic .045 for better quench and a little more SCR, I figured WTF and went ahead with a set of Comp 850-16's. I had 40K on the stockers.
Did you reuse the stock guides?
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Old May 7, 2005 | 05:55 PM
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Yes, my Z is a 01 and had only 40K on it.
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Old May 12, 2005 | 04:43 AM
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I didn't touch the guides.
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Old May 13, 2005 | 05:31 PM
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Anyone know the part number for the lifter guides? Im not sure if mine are bad, but my motor is now being rebuilt after we found out the lifters, cam, and cam bearings were in bad shape. Is it possible the lifter guides caused all this?
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What do you mean they were in "bad shape?"
How many miles? Regular oil changes? Was there a lot of play in the lifter guides with the lifters in place?

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Anyone know the part number for the lifter guides? Im not sure if mine are bad, but my motor is now being rebuilt after we found out the lifters, cam, and cam bearings were in bad shape. Is it possible the lifter guides caused all this?
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Old May 13, 2005 | 05:49 PM
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Your local GM parts guy can look up the part number for the lifter guides. I think they are $5 or $6 each. Good cheap insurance to put new ones in. Yes, they can cause your lifters, cam, and cam bearings to get trashed. It happened to me . . .
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just replaced lifter guides they where 3 bucks a piece from gm
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Originally Posted by sprayinss
just replaced lifter guides they where 3 bucks a piece from gm
I will definatley change the guides out when i get in there. Is there one guide for each lifter? Will i have to buy 16 guides?
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Old May 13, 2005 | 06:07 PM
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What do you mean they were in "bad shape?"
How many miles? Regular oil changes? Was there a lot of play in the lifter guides with the lifters in place?

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The cam bearings had copper showing, the cam was burned and seemed to be scratched, and the lifters were were prety shot, and a few of them were scratched on the sides. Not sure how that happened, maybe when a stock rocker exploded. Lifter guides is another name for lifter trays, right?
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