Just Talked To Dart.....
09-13-2005, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by chicane
I'd love to see TEA, Katech and others do their own magic to a set of these new DART castings. They might just turn out to be the real monsters that we have been waiting for in the larger cid packages.
Do we know if TEA has any intentions on getting a few sets of these to "play" with?
09-13-2005, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by CTSmechanic
Dart Im sure will make a top quality product However....dont let the bare head price fool you once you have bought theres still work to be done.. and price will vary depending on your performance goals take it from me Im into a set of All Pros for over 3k and thats not counting rocker arms valves or springs..and those are supposed to be an "as cast head"...
So if you got a hook up or trust yourself to do it it is still a pretty good deal
09-13-2005, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by tom97ss
I'm thinking the price may be without valves and springs... No mention of valve type or springs. Their definition of assemble may just mean seats and guides...
I think thats a good idea, a little cheaper but allows flexibilty of component selection.
SO ASSEMBLED probably mean everything, since the jegs add does say springs good to .600 . But I am not 100% on that have to call Dart and talk to them about what Assembled acctually means
09-13-2005, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by frisky2101
When I talked to Dart they said that the bare castings will have guides and seats.
SO ASSEMBLED probably mean everything, since the jegs add does say springs good to .600 . But I am not 100% on that have to call Dart and talk to them about what Assembled acctually means
SO ASSEMBLED probably mean everything, since the jegs add does say springs good to .600 . But I am not 100% on that have to call Dart and talk to them about what Assembled acctually means
09-13-2005, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by frisky2101
Yeah but well at atleast in my case, my father owns his own high pro shop and I get all the work done for free.....
So if you got a hook up or trust yourself to do it it is still a pretty good deal
So if you got a hook up or trust yourself to do it it is still a pretty good deal
09-13-2005, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by waterbug1999
I'm an idiot.. What is all the specs on a stock LS1?
bore 3.898
stroke 3.622
use gasket size of .040, .045, .054 as they are the more common sizes used. .054 is a good one to use for a stock motor.
-.007 piston height
62 cc's
0 for dish or dome because we have flat tops.
09-13-2005, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by JZ'sTA
bore 3.898
stroke 3.622
use gasket size of .040, .045, .054 as they are the more common sizes used. .054 is a good one to use for a stock motor.
-.007 piston height
62 cc's
0 for dish or dome because we have flat tops.
stroke 3.622
use gasket size of .040, .045, .054 as they are the more common sizes used. .054 is a good one to use for a stock motor.
-.007 piston height
62 cc's
0 for dish or dome because we have flat tops.
09-14-2005, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by chicane
The numbers are not. But, just think what they will be capable of when someone write's a good CNC program for them...... ?? A good program could realistically pick up 60+ cfm.
And realistically a good porter such as tea will probably only pick up about 18-20 cfm at peak. 60 cfm would put them at 370+ which is not achievable out of a casting of this nature IMO.
http://www.dartheads.com/manager/uploads/LS1Flyer.pdf
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09-14-2005, 04:10 PM
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It doesn't look like these flow any better than my ported 5.3L heads. I don't like the cast runners either since you can get some discrepancies with cast error. CNC gives a much more repeatable final product. The 225 head loses a lot of low end flow over the 205 also, and with flow numbers only going to .550 on the 205's seem like that is where air flow peaked. Just going by flow numbers I would rather get into a stock ported casting or other aftermarket company. I don't see picking up to 370 cfm on these heads either with aftermarket porting. They may turn out to be a good bang for the buck, but I will wait for some real world tests to form an opinion on them.
09-15-2005, 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by CTSmechanic
Im some what in the same boat as you our in house engine shop is hooking me up pretty nice... WD on all parts a smokin deal on labor( I wouldnt expect it for free) without them and a few others helping me out theres no way I d be able to get my motor done..
09-15-2005, 10:17 AM
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Guys....
first off the difference from the 205-225 heads on the low lift flow it doesn't matter that much for power, but the shape and size of the port will.
The good thing about these castings is the material available in the right spots for porting. In that flyer that has the flow numbers you can see the better bowl shape to start with and then the extra material over the short side. You can get a hell of a good flowing 220cc port out of that 205cc casting without much issue.
Bret
first off the difference from the 205-225 heads on the low lift flow it doesn't matter that much for power, but the shape and size of the port will.
The good thing about these castings is the material available in the right spots for porting. In that flyer that has the flow numbers you can see the better bowl shape to start with and then the extra material over the short side. You can get a hell of a good flowing 220cc port out of that 205cc casting without much issue.
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09-15-2005, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by JS
When TEA gets a few sets will see..
I'd like a 215CC runner that has killer numbers from 200 to 600
I'd like a 215CC runner that has killer numbers from 200 to 600
I see no problem with tea getting ahold of them. And the short side runner does look like it has a ton of room left for porting.
Hell a mild cnc job could put these puppies flowing like crazy from .2-.4 and still peaking with the big guys heads all with a smaller runner.
Nate