Xtremes10

I need some parts to do the 6.0l stroker motor, I have a 6.0l iron block right now, plan to push some serious power out of it (intercooled pwerdyne pushing 12lbs of boost), stroker kit, ported and polished heads, blower cam good for the street, fast intake, and a nitrous kit, I need stroker parts that will step up to the plate, everything is going to be done in cast iron, and all said and done, put into a chevy s-10 xtreme, so I need pistons, a crank, rods, and anything else you can think of, anyone got suggestions? I am only 16 and know very minimal about engines as of right now, I am doing this for a senior project and for a weekend bracked raced and well.... lets be honost, to totally obliterate every mustang and rice burner I see on the streets , anyhow, I need the parts to make it safe, everything from the springs, the tires, the tranny, all of it is going to be built up pretty well, I am looking to spend around $3000 total on the internals, can anyone help?

Ferocity02

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What kind of numbers are you expecting? A decent bottom end can be built for under $3000, but I would be weary of pushing more than 1000rwph through it. What you should look into is an Eagle crank. then Lunati Pro-mod, Pro-billet rods, Oliver, Manley Pro, or Carillio rods. Then probably some JE pistons with the rings gapped properly. Then of course ARP main studs and Clevite main and rod bearings. With that set-up, the only limitation would be the crank, which is the only decent one you can buy for a $3000 total budget. Harlan is pushing 1200 crankhp through it STOCK crankshaft. But IMO he is a lucky one. You can stick with the stock crank and make some decent power, but then you are losing cubes. What size of motor do you wish to run? 364, 402, 408?

I think you are seriously underestimating the expense and time needed for a build you are describing. If you have the resources, seeing you are 16 you must be getting sposored or something, go ahead. But it won't be easy. If this project is due at the end of this school year you have a TON of work on your hands. Its not just buying the parts, it assembling, customizing, building, more assembling, and tons of tuning and street/track time.

Good luck.

Xtremes10

no the project is due in two years, they have us start this year, and then finish it in our senior year, however, I already have a bottom end built, I had a tranny built as well, I am just hoping with those parts to at least be near the 11's if not 10's, but if your expecting more thats great, dont forget tho, i am not doing a huge cam, this is still going to be a street cruiser as well, I am having a guy build me a roll cage, I havve $3000 set aside for JUST the internals, I know everything else is going to cost a ton, are you expecting I will spend more than $3000 on the internals? the motor is already a 402 with the crank in it, so stroker I believe would be 408 or bigger? not sure, but I expect hopefully to be done in spring of 2007

Ferocity02

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If you already have the bottom end built, then what do you mean by internals? In order for it to be a 402, you must have a 4" stroke crank, stock is 3.662", and a 4" bore which the block should already have. For a 408, you must bore the cylinders 0.030" over and use a 4" stroke crank.

ArcticZ28

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My biggest question is... how the hell are you going to get an s-10 to hook with all that power while keeping it street legal? My buddy has a small block 350 in his and he had to put 75lb bags over each of his leaf's in the back to get any sort of traction on the street. Not trying to put this project down at all, just wondering what your plans were and if you thought about it at all.

dogger

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it's possible to hook this project pretty well. it will cost money and invole some work and inovation.

do you have any component's for a bottom end now? I'm currently building a budget motor for my truck using stock crank, rod's and aftermarket pistons. it'll have head's and cam also and my whole budget for it is about as much as your internally budget. having said that you could problly use a stoke crank because they hold some seriuos power. with the money you save on that you should be able to buy good quality rods and piston's to hold up to some blown boost.

Brandon Boomhauer

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well said. doing a built stroker, with a supercharger.... and nitrous will cost alot. fwiw, done right you shouldnt need nitrous, and with the money, why not go with a turbo setup? I seriously doubt a powerdyne is big enough to feed a 408 correctly. You have to think about the tranny (t400, glide, what?) rearend suspension setup etc.
I hope you have one heck of a job for being 16 to get the money for all of this. Not to mention the custom setup and fab you'll need to set something like this in a s10.

Xtremes10

custom fab with all swap parts is totaled out to $500, this 6.0l is based off the LS1, and well its a popular swap into s-10's believe it or not, the only different thing im doing is its into an extreme, never seen a v-8 in one before, I have a th400 being built right now to hold up to the power, and already have a ford 9" rear end in place (not stock, guy is a differential specialist, built it to spec out tops hp wise is aroun 1100) I am going to do a four link suspension, with 16.5 wide M/T slicks for the track, and m/t sportsmans for the street, as for the internals, I am meaning the internals of the enging, right now I just have a bare block, i will go with a 4" crank, I am only doing a mild cam, nothing wicked, I am also having the driveshaft built as well, I thought very much bottom end, and am building it bottom end up, if you take a look at this link ( http://www.carsnrides.com/profile.aspx?un=Xtremes10 ) you will see the work and money I already have put into the truck, as for the powerdyne, well... it was free, so who can argue with that? the powerdyne will run it, its the top brand next to procharger, and dont even start on me with this, please, I already talked to the tech people and people who have done the swap, it works as well as a procharger (your not changing my mind) so really, if I can get it to hook with that setup, as well as getting the frame boxed in, what kind of numbers hp wise and et wise am I looking at? The Nitrous will 99.9% be for show, as for money, I have been working with my dad since I was 7, and am currently working 2 jobs, I have the money for this, I havent come into this project half heartedly, I have been working on the truck for 3 years now, and since the show part is finally finished, its time for the go, once again, the swap and fitting it in is easy as pie, its a small block, and trust me, if you can fit a 454 into an s-10, you can fit a 408, I want the bulk of my money however to be spent on parts that will make this engine safe, while adding power, my main priority is to build an engine that can handle what I throw at it, I will not build the engine until the suspension and new springs are in, anyone have any other things that I should address?

Brandon Boomhauer

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Sounds like you have a decent game plan then.
I know a 408 will fit in an S10, hell John Lingenfelter put a 427 (resleaved ls1block) with twin turbos in a S10, with AWD, heat and A/C. Anything can be done. The swap into the Struck shouldnt be too hard honestly.
As for the powerdying, please show me something bout them being #2 in terms of performance (not some far away catagory where there is only them and ATI... vortec/whipple/magnacharger/ati/KB/all outsell powerdying as far as I know.)
another thing is this. 12lbs of boost on a 346 (what they would rate their kit at) is NOT the same as it would be on a 408. The 408 has more volumn that needs to be filled, and there fore will not have the same amount of boost, as would a 346, given the pulley size is the same.
Check the F/I section and do some research on that stuff.
A big tip, and it will greatly help you, is to use the Search button in the top right area. You can be really specific and get all kinds of informtion. Tons of 408 buildups, several S-truck LSx swaps, etc.

-Brandon

ArcticZ28

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Just one thing I'd like to address... how long do you plan for this to take you? Also, how do you have this ridiculous amount of money that it's going to cost saved up? You said you're only 16 so u've been working for what, 2 years max?
Just wondering where it all came from. Also, what facilities are you going to work out of to do all this fabbing and such?

P.S. I still don't think it's gonna hook with such an incredibly light rear end

Xtremes10

I plan on being done around spring 2007, and your wrong about how long I have been working, I have been saving since I was 7, everything since the first time I went drag racing with my dad has been about my first vehicle, and what I could put into it, as for the 12 lbs of boost, the head unit they make for the 6.0l is exactally the same size as the one for the 4.3l, its actually cheeper to make that headunit then the 4.3l, I dont really care, its still gunna make boost, and even if not much, I can still change the head unit after a while, and sell this head unit, I know it will make the boost, I have seen it done to multiple s-10's with swaps, the 402 im going to go with actually doesnt have all that much more volume however, but once again, I will keep tweaking the boost till it is actually at 12lb's in the engine, but right now, I need the web addresses of places to buy the correct parts, so really, I need the place to start looking and shopping around at, I still have about a 2 month window until I start building the engine

ArcticZ28

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No one said it wouldn't make boost. Of course it will make boost, but not as much as on a 346 due to the bigger displacement. Why would you want to have to "tweak" the boost out of it (aka change the pulley so it's working much harder) rather than buy a unit that would work more efficiently and make more power? I mean, you're looking for huge HP, but you're skimping on your main power adder. Granted it was free like you said, but you always get what you pay for, and in this case, less reliability and power.

Actually, a 402 has much more volume than a 346. So, are you saying your 402 cubic inch (volume measurement) is not the same as other 402 cubic inch (volume measurement) engines?

All of our sponsors on the right can hook u up with whatever you need. Give one or all a call. They'd be happy to get you going on this.

And I'm not trying to pick on every statement you make, but you're making some incorrect ones so it's better to have an open mind and learn now rather than down the road after you've spent all your time and effort.

Xtremes10

^ thanks your just trying to help, I get a lot of people just pushing me around telling me what to do over so much as just helping me out on my way, to me, if it makes 9 lbs of boost and runs 11's, I am flat out happy, thats all I planned for this motor, but it looks like it may run a little faster than origionally planned, thats great, I am still lost on what cam to do tho, like what kind of intake/exhaust numbers and duration, I think I wanna spend maybe $500 or so on the cam at most, any suggestions? I want this to still be a street driven truck, most likely my daily driver for a while until I get something new, then its a weekend racer or cruiser

Brandon Boomhauer

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in response to the last message.
SEARCH! I can not stress the use of this function enough. SEARCH through the forced induction section, SEARCH through the internal section, SEARCH in various forums that deal in what you want to learn. SEARCH! SEARCH! SEARCH! SEARCH! SEARCH! SEARCH! SEARCH! SEARCH! SEARCH! SEARCH! SEARCH! SEARCH!

now onto parts. see the 2x1" banners to the right? (if not turn off your popup blockers) those are all sponsors which carry needed parts. click/browse/call/etc. I'd would be wise to have an idea of what parts youwould like and cam specs first. I wouldn't call a sponsor with the basic info you posted above, try to get some information down and do some figuring to see whats going to work, etc.

Xtremes10

I think I have decided on the rotating assembley, does this seem correct pricing wise? does it seem like it will stand up to the boost and power I throw at it as well? http://www.slponline.com/view_product.asp?P=12403

ArcticZ28

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-28.50cc dish. What kind of heads are you going to be running? If you're gonna run a 72cc head like the AFR 205's then the CR may even be lower than the 9:1 that they say. That'll leave plenty of room for big boost, but it doesn't look like the unit you're using will be putting out that much. That will just rob you of horsepower. You might want to pick a lesser dish and run a higher compression to get more out of the boost you're expecting since you know it won't be overpowering to say the least.

Xtremes10

I am gunna go with the stock head off a 6.0l sierra, the vortech head with a lower compression style on it, and im going to re-do the valve springs in it

ArcticZ28

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What cc are they? You're gonna use those (along with gasket size) to pick your piston dish for optimal compression/boost.

Mr. Luos

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If you build the 402 right.....that alone will get you into the 11's. No need for boost if you can get it to hook. Just a heads up!

Xtremes10

I cant seem to find the specs on it, I do know that the sierra ends up with a 9:1 compression after the heads are on, and if thats too low, I could go with the high compression set of pistons seen here : http://www.slponline.com/view_product.asp?P=12402 and while you look at the two, do the prices seem correct or alright? I really think the whole kit like this would be the way to go, just get it all at one time to keep me busy for a while