Randy WS6

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Im now looking at Texas Speed Precision Performace Stage III CNC Dart heads with 2.100" intake & 1.60" ex. flows 330 at .600 lift for 1900.00 i guess ill haft to wait a while to get some more money together.

1QuickT-A

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There hasn't been alot of testing done with the Darts yet, but I think they are gonna be a really nice set for a good price. I personally think that AFR makes a better head, but thats just my opinion.

Randy WS6

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I under stand that the AFR's are the best but i just cant afford them , My wife is a registered nurse and weir putting here threw school that costing us about $30,000 a semester to get here masters in nursing, so she can be a nurse anesthetists witch then she will be making $250,000 a year so in about 2 year ill then build the biggest motor that can be built, but for now this is the best i can do. So now you know why i cant afford the best right now.

1QuickT-A

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Thats cool and I totally understand.. I am on a budget myself cause I don't make squat for money.. But, I have decided to just take my time and save up the cash to get some of the better parts that are out there. Like I said before.. Goodluck with whatever you decide on!

Full-Force

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et head flowing 338 at 600 but with a 2.10 valve and 11* angle and pp flowing 322 with 2.08 and stock valve angle

pp heads looking pretty good

afr heads are overrated to me especially for the money, they barely flow more than a cnc ls6 head with stockvalves

i would put pp stage 3 on a 408 in a second if i was on a budget

you have issues besides heads if you only have 440hp with a 408

67Ranger

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another option, is to have get their heads, and have them finished up by someone locally. I was quoted about $200 to have this done, if i brought the guy un assembled heads. I was on a pretty tight budget too myself, and I feel like they are making decent power in my car, especially with my low compression ratio, and small cam.

Z'mnypit

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Well considering the AFR's & ET's are only making 7-15 more HP in an auto. You dont beleive me look in the dyno section. I dont consider 440rwhp to be bad with the stock LS6 intake, Stock TB, no underdrive pulley. Just like BeardWS6 or what ever his screen name is. You praised that car like it was going to be some kind of ******* monster over mine, that it was going to make 530+, well if you havent noticed, it didnt. Try more like 455rwhp. That is with the "bad ***" ET245's. Marine02ss or something like that put down 447rwhp with his AFR's and FAST 90/90 setup so you tell me how paying $2500+ is worth it over Patriots when they make almost the same amount of power. Both of these cars had higher CR then mine also. So you tell me how a $1300 set of heads in not worth purchasing. All the results are in the dyno section.

Dude, seriously oncee again my car made 440rwhp with the stock LS6 TB, stock TB, no underdrive pulley, 1 3/4 LT's, 244/248 .612/.615, Patriot stage III LS6 heads, 10.7-1 CR, Rossler 4L60e (that was on its way out) TCI3500, 3.73's. Once again tell me how 440 is "pathetic" in your book, when Ive pointed out two other cars with both AFR's & ET's that didnt make much more power with the FAST 90/90 setup. Im sorry but 7-15hp is not worth $1000 more dollars to me. Then put down 620rwhp with the TNT (minus bottle warmer) with unlocked converter. Sorry I didnt hit the 1000rwhp mark your hoping for. Maybe next time!

Youre right the car did run low 11's Babying the **** out of it. I didnt really feel like having to tow it home due to breaking a rear. So I never left out over 1100-1300 RPM, resulting in the fastest 60' of the day of 1.69. & the fast 1/8th mile time being 7.30's. Then traping the 1/4 at 126+ N/A in a full weight plus some car. how is that pathetic. The car was lean as hell to, due to being untuned after the FAST 90/90 install. Also the 1st time the motor had ever seen the track. Once dialed in & launched hard, im very confident high 10's N/A is in the bag. The MPH is already there. 126mph +

obZidian

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Whats up Vann...
your 440rwhp was with the ls6 manifold right? You cam says custom, can you give a small indication of waht it might be? I just want to see where you are at and how that motor is making its power.

At the track, what tire setup do you race with adn what kind of rear do you have in it right now?

I think that the PP heads are a good set right now. They cost have of what the 245 heads cost, have smaller valves, and dont need a matching set of 11* pistons.

If you are on a budget, like 1quick said, than IMO the PP stage-3 heads shouldn't be over looked. Or even if your on a budget, they are a solid performer.

Z'mnypit

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Not much, I editied my post with that info.

At the track I had weld draglites, 15x4 up front & 15x10 out back it Kumho front runners & MT ET streets 26/11.50/15. Fastest run of the day was the 1st & the tire pressure in the et streets was 20lbs. Alot I know but I never let it out till I see what the car is going to do. Here are the specs on that run:
R/T --- .626
60' ---1.727
330' ---4.901
1/8---7.476
MPH---95.56
1/4---11.405
mph---126.36

obZidian

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i just find it rediculous when ppl hate without even doing there research...

those PP stage 3 heads are doing pretty good and will give the other heads companies a good run.

1999 SS

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does anyone know what the dart's flow #s are and how much they cost?

obZidian

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Lift Exhuast Intake
.200 109 144
.300 154 202
.400 187 254
.500 205 290
.550 210 301
.600 214 313

I got a price quote for about 1425.00

1QuickT-A

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So you are telling me that your 408cid stroker basically only netted you about 30rwhp over a stock 347cid LS1 heads/cam automatic car? How is that not pathetic? There are a ton of auto cars with over 400rwhp with ported 5.3 heads, medium sized cams, stock compression, ls6 intake/tb. If I had a head/cam 347cid A4 car that made 400rwhp and then built a 408 and it only made 440rwhp this is what I would do.. BURN THAT BITCH TO THE GROUND!

Z'mnypit

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No more along the lines of 60-70hp. The average auto with H/C does between 370-390. Ive seen them in person dyno so yeah.

Noticed you didnt make any response to the AFR's & ET's statement I made. Well let me help you out a bit here are the results. Let me quess, there will be some excuse from you as to why the didnt dyno high right? Prolly cause they wasnt 225's or something I can hear it now. When the truth is there is no excuse they to have auto cars with large stalls, with basically the same cam, and they put down close #'s to mine. & if I must add they also had the FAST 90/90 setup. My point is nobody makes a head that meets your specifications, **** im sure everyone on here remembers the PRC stink you got going. This is pointless, The man wants to know about a set of heads & you want to start on something that you dont even have the facts right. Other then all you know is my car put down 440hp & every car that has a 408 should do at least 600rwhp. Hell, there only a few 6spd 408's making over 500hp.
AFR's
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamometer-results-comparisons/456375-408ci-redynoed-tuned.html
ET's (read down a few post & you'll see awesome ET heads #'s.)
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...7&page=2&pp=20

Wheres this ******* dyno monster you have? Havent seen any #'s posted? I suppose your going to burn it if it doesnt put down 690hp?

2001 Pewter WS6

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My old setup consisting of a 383 Stroker, Absolute Speed Stage 2 LS6 heads, Ported stock TB, LS6 intake, FLP headers, Comp XE-r 236/240 cam, A4 with a TCI 4400, Moser 12 bolt w/ 4.10's made 460rwhp and 430rwtq.

408WS6

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What would be great is if some ls1tech sponsors got together and sponsored a side-by-side test PP vs. AFR vs. ETP and laid down some numbers on the same car, same dyno, same everything just change out the heads. That would settle ALOT of arguments as to who has what in terms of heads---Who has the best head for the money, who has the best head period, etc.
I think the results could be surprising...

beardWS6

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Z`mnypit- I just wanted to post and say alittle to what you said. I know I haven`t been saying anything lately. Just wanted to figure out whats up with my set-up before I did. If you could have seen my dyno sheet, you would have understood. But I`ve got some parts issues. I`ve been working threw them and I will post my new numbers shortly. I will tell you this. With what we`ve found to be wrong-the numbers where sweet. Once everything is fixed I will let you know. i know I only got 455rwhp and 475trq. But with what we where fixing, it will make a big differance. So what I`m saying. Don`t use my car as a example since I`ve got issues with a few components that are very key in making power. i promise, as soon as where done I will post my numbers again. Again, don`t worry about what everyone says about numbers. If your happy with your set-up. that`s all that matters. There is a fella running a 408 with low numbers pushing 11.04 in the 1/4 first time out. I think he had 430-445rwhp with A4. He is very happy. Enjoy it man, these motors are sweet!!! talk Later!!

Z'mnypit

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PM'd you. I understand that. Trust me Ive still got issues to work out also. So that makes two of us. Some people dont just understand that (above). You just handled yours the smart way & didnt post up the info just yet until you get yours resolved. I on the other hand did not. Im not concerend about the #'s that was just a base run to see what I was working with, now that I know what needs to be changed Im doing it. & will post the new #'s soon. Even then if it put down 470 or so I'd be willing to bet then Ill be called a liar or so on. So its a lose/lose situation.

Later,
Vann

beardWS6

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people always have something to say! Even if they have no concept of what they are talking about. Like I always say, You got something better-come prove it. People who have been threw all the **** where going threw building something understand. Just bust there bubble when you get it all fixed! Good luck, and talk later!

Peace!

1QuickT-A

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What in the hell are you even talking about? 690hp? stink I started? etc.. If I remember correctly you were lookin at the PRC heads and acting like you knew what you were lookin at saying "those look like pieces of ****, this that blah blah blah.." So don't even act like I pulled that out of my ***.. I will be more than happy with the AFR 225's because they perform just like AFR says they do. No bullshit numbers or fake crap like everyone else.. I never said your car should have put down 600rwhp.. I do think it should have put down over 450rwhp for Gods sake. A car with AFRs or ETs should do the same. If not then oh well. I'm not gonna go and read every link you post cause its not worth my time.

I know my car probably won't dyno worth a ****. Its not even done yet. I'm putting it together as we speak. My car has a TH400 with a NINE INCH, a BIG stall, and 28in slicks.. Not a ****** 4L60E with a weak *** lil 3500 stall and a stock 10bolt with lil street tires.. My 408 will be a nitrous motor so I'm not looking for N/A numbers. But, I'll bet you the title to my car that it out performs that weak piece of **** that you have on any dyno you want to put it on..

There are quite a few fbodys putting down over 400rwhp with H/C/FAST90/Stalled A4's.. WTF are you talkin about your average h/c A4 puts down 370rwhp? Plenty of cam only A4 cars are doing that or damn close to it.